User talk:In ictu oculi/2010/07

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Translations

Please note two features of Wiktionary:

1. All translations tables must be placed within a Translations subsection. Please refer to the entries for (deprecated template usage) parrot and (deprecated template usage) listen to see what this looks like.
2. Wiktionary discourages editors from adding translations from languages they do not speak themselves. Your recent edits indicate that you speak Croatian, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Ukrainian, and Welsh, among other languages. If you do not speak all these languages, then please do not add translations for them. --EncycloPetey 04:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

No, please see how I have modified the entry for Zwinglian to see what I have done. Translations must be under a subheader, not all at the foot of the page. --EncycloPetey 04:44, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

1. Okay, I see you added 'Translations' above the box, yes I forgot. Thank you for adding it.

2. My knowledge of Welsh is very limited; but you will note I only linked an existing translation Zwinglïaidd. I assume that if it's already there then it's probably correct.

Have a nice day. :) Cheers In ictu oculi 04:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Because you have continued to edit in languages you do not know (mainly to promote a protologism), you have been blocked from editing. --EncycloPetey 16:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

kristadelfianer

Hi. I Saw that you created a Danish section on kristadelfianer. What were your sources for deciding that it is a Danish word? Surely not Wikipedia alone, after all the controversy. Same for kristadelfiansk.--Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 09:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed that you renamed the Danish Wikipedia site From da:w:Christadelphians to da:w:Kristadelfianere, so based on your comment earlier about Danish translations, you basically coined the word yourself.--Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 11:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Leo, thanks for your kind communications by email. As per email one source that the Norwegian name [|e.g.] can also be used in Danish is 10.4 Livet i Kirken, which was printed in paperback in 2001. I have not seen the English name used in any Danish text. However, given the need for further verification I agree with you on keeping the entry blank. Hopefully that closes the subject in the best spirits. Cheers In ictu oculi 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Block

I’m afraid I don’t know who Leo is. However, if you are competent to edit in other languages, you should show them in your Babel boxes. Since you don’t list competency in any other language, we assume that you don’t know other languages and should not be editing them.

You also need to be mindful not to enter any protologisms, because that is not the job of a dictionary. We only describe actual usage and we do not allow proposing or encouraging newly invented words or usages. It is a good idea not to enter any words that you cannot find in several different printed books (for instance, at books.google.com). —Stephen 21:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Stephen: FWIW, "Leo" is the author of the comments in the section above this one. I asked this user about editing in other languages (as you can see above), but the only response about language competency I was given was that his "knowledge of Welsh is very limited". He has given me additional information privately by e-mail, but only after the block went into effect.

In ictu oculi: We have had (and continue to have) problems with editors who add content that is wrong because it was copied from sources where it was wrong. I myself own a Galician-English translation dictionary (by a major publisher) that isn't worth the paper it's printed on. We have to protect Wiktionary from this problem, and do want editors to edit only in languages that they are personally competent in. You were told this, and did not respond concerning the issue until you were blocked. Please respond to concerns addressed to you in future. --EncycloPetey 22:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

e-mail copy

Hi Steven, it is not a rule that you must use Babel boxes, but if you edit several languages, people will look at your page to see what your credentials are. If your credentials are not posted, or if they don’t match the work you’re doing, then your work will be suspect. So, while it is not a rule, it is advisable to use Babel boxes here. Unlike Wikipedia, Babel boxes are the only boxes that we use at all.

• You asked for a copy of this for your records:

Hello Stephen Thank you for the note on my user page. I was not told that it was a rule that Babel badges must be displayed if editing in a language. As a polite suggestion, rather than telling new users this ad hoc, the admins might want to consider changing the "welcome note" sent to new users to indicate this rule.

For your info (and I've sent a copy to EncycloPete, these are mine.

Protologisms are fair enough, however I think that following clarification/email LeoLauresen accepts that the use of a Norwegian church name on the basis of a 2001 book Danish translation by the Danish arm of the church using the Norwegian name is not a gross example of protologism. But I do understand what you're saying. And this is something obvious enough that it doesn't need to be added to the welcome note.

Anyway, I wish you a pleasant day, as I intend to have myself. Yours Steven

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-- This e-mail was sent by In ictu oculi to Stephen G. Brown by the "E-mail user" function at Wiktionary.