User talk:Chackoony

Welcome, Chackoony! I have corrected the formatting in your entry అంకాపొంకాలు; please look at all the changes I have made and try to follow that format. You can ask me if you have any further questions. The formatting is very important to ensure that our entries are machine-readable and consistent. You can read more about how to format entries at WT:ELE. Thanks! —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 02:20, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Please see the changes I made here. Thanks! —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 20:30, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I moved your message to the bottom of my talk page, as is customary, but you can respond here instead. I know that formatting entries on Wiktionary is often quite challenging, so please ask if you have any questions. We also have some editors who are familiar with Telugu who can help you with your entries, like @Rajasekhar1961, Stephen G. Brown. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 20:53, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. Right now, I am trying to link some other Dravidian (South Indian) language's cognate words to the word in this link: [1], but my challenge is, each language has 2-3 cognate words to the Telugu word, and so, the link being generated for each of the words in those languages is a link containing all 2-3 words, not separate links for each individual word. How can I fix this?

Use {{m|<language>|<word>}}, like {{m|en|apple}} apple. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 02:27, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! Now I have another issue on my hand, I mistransliterated an entire word, and I don't know how to delete the link that was generated for it. Here's the link: [2]. If you could please show me how to fix it, I would be grateful. This is how I meant to spell the word: ఏడాగోడము.

• You're definitely improving! Take a look at these changes and especially be careful with your punctuation and capitalisation! If you spell the name of an entry wrong, put the {{delete}} template on it and an admin will come along and remove it. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 03:30, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

  Thank you! I have another question now; Telugu is a very inflectional language, and I am trying to link certain words from example sentences back to their original word, but the problem is, the conjugated verb/inflected noun has enough of a script change for it to be with different letters than the word it comes from. Is there any sort of command where I can disguise the actual link into the word, like some sort of "hidden-url:XXX"?

Do it like this: అంకపొంకములుగా, అంకపొంకములుగా (aṅkapoṅkamulugā), or అంకపొంకములుగా (aṅkapoṅkamulugā). —Stephen ^(Talk) 06:17, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

• • tl;dr: So guys, I have a couple of questions. Is there any way to 1) A way to auto-transfer complete etymologies that are associated with one word to another branch of its related words, 2) A meter that can show the progress towards completion of a language, in terms of its definitions, etymologies, words with pronunciations, etc. 3) Some forum for people to collaborate and plan so that progress can be made faster; i.e. 26 people joining up and agreeing to add all the words under a letter, assigned to them, which is trackable through Wiktionary, and they then work as a group to fill in the Wiki so much faster than random individual efforts ever could. The forum would have some poll and new commands for showing responsibility of who's who to do the letters, etymologies, etc. and there could be regular updates/questions/feedback on these dedicated forums. I assume the talkpages are there for this function, but if someone could tell me if the functions I'm requesting exist yet, and show me how to use the commands, I would be very grateful. The reason I'm asking all this is, I'm uploading entries from a Dravidian etymological dictionary into Wiktionary. Barring the fact that there's no auto-complete for commands or automatic editing suggestor like what you would find in a programming compiler on Wiktionary, I find it painful to create all the etymology links only to know nobody will actually create definitions and content for the words I'm linking. If I could 1) get that automatic flow of definitions going through each word, so that some entry and the definition I've put are created automatically per word, and if 2&3) there was a community effort that could be organized to create momentum on the Wiki, there could be SUCH a drastic change in Wiktionary's overall connections, resources, SEO, and thus its relevance and usefulness to the world. Thank you for reading through this and helping me out in the past, you guys are the best!

    Er, what dictionary? Copying as is from something under copyright is illegal. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:18, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

    Ee, this one: [3]. It says you're not allowed to copy it on the home page, but I've been transliterating the words within and offering their definitions in my own words... What do you say? I'll respect your call and delete any words if necessary.

    • Also, I have a question on proverbs. Is it acceptable to post a proverb as its own sentence, with a definition and explanation of what it means?

      Could someone check this page out: [4] and tell me if I've organized the etymologies correctly? Also, I am trying to offer "pakav" and "pakant" as alternative or variant forms of the overall verb of "pakar" in that link, but I don't know how to do that either. Please teach me, thanks!

Firstly, about copyright: it's fine if you're using it as a source but not directly copying. We should also be listing the sources we use in a ===References=== section at the bottom; look at {{R:te:CPB}} for the one you can use for Brown's dictionary. I can make one of those for Burrow/Emeneau as well if you'd like.

About linking: No need to use the URL when we're on Wiktionary, just link like this: பகர் or use a linking template like this: பகர் (pakar).

About multiple etymologies: We have to number them, and then have each part of speech section be under a numbered etymology. But there were more serious problems, like not using {{head}} under each part of speech header. Please look carefully at the changes I made here.

And yes, a proverb can be entered in as a sentence (but don't use a period at the end). I can help you format it. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 16:01, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the comprehensive response. I would love the reference template for Burrow's etymological dictionary, and if it's not too much hassle, you can create reference templates for Gwynn's dictionary too: [dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/gwynn/]. For Burrow, the parameters you want to consider are the page number, the entry number, the language, the word, then the specific definition you're looking for. You should allow the definition field to be left blank if you just want to indicate all the definitions filed under each word. At least, that's how I imagine coding source templates works haha.

About the etymology-nesting, I'll make sure to get that and the other main mistakes fixed in future, I do have to ask though, can I skip doing the [[]] linking for the words in the English definitions? I tend to power through entries so I can get the main, unknown, important stuff onto the wiki, while hoping others can help tidy up the easy stuff. If not though, I'll gladly do it.

About proverbs, so let me give you an example. I've got many great proverbs from [5], [6], and [7]. Taking the first one from the first link, I would type in "ఆకలి రుచి యెరుగదు, నిద్ర సుఖం యెరుగదు." as the Telugu entry, "Hunger knows no taste, and sleep knows no comfort." as my semi-literal translation, and "Hunger makes one ignore the taste of something because it makes them desperate to eat anything, and the urge of sleep removes the need of the person to consider the comforts of his surroundings in taking the chance to fulfill his needs." If you could turn this into an entry, I can then look at how you've made it and start mass-producing idioms into the wiki. Thanks! Also, you may consider making a source template for these 3 books I have linked to. You would need two parameters for the proverb (sentence), then to indicate which of [word bank, literal translation, comment/proverb explanation.] you're pointing to.

Also, I'm still curious; how do I indicate if a word has a slightly alternative form? With some words, the change may not mean anything different, with other words, the new ending may indicate transitivity or the like. How should I write both of these into the programming? with பகர், I have பகவ் and பகந்த written in as related terms under Etymology, when in reality, to the best of my knowledge, they all mean the same exact thing.

Also, on this page புயல், I am trying to convey in the bottom 3 meanings how the original sense of the word might semantically shift towards its other meanings; is there some sort of command I need to use to do that? Also, in పోయు, I have tried to indicate that one of the meanings is intransitive. How should I programatically write that?

Hey I also wanted to know, can song lyrics be uploaded to Wiktionary, along with literal translation + explanation?

You can quote songs with {{quote-song}}, see मन्नत (mannat) for an example. Full songs normally are copyrighted, but single lines that are cited are okay. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 20:05, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

User page

It would be helpful if you made a userpage with your proficiency in different languages, as many editors do – {{babel}} is useful for this. —Aryamanarora ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 20:09, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Dravidian entries

I am interested to enter Telugu pages derived or linked to Dravidian languages. If you are interested we can etymologically connect the South Indian languages. Thanking you.--Rajasekhar1961 (talk) 05:43, 18 April 2017 (UTC)