User talk:Andrewa

As I visit English Wikipedia far more regularly than this wiki, it's probably best to use my talk page there rather than this one. But if you have an account here but not there, or if you just prefer to, feel free to use this page. You'll get my attention faster if you also drop me a short note at English Wikipedia, just saying I have mail here. This note can be anonymous but please mention Wiktionary so I don't need to check all the wikis on which I have accounts. Thank you and Welcome! Andrewa 18:22, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Welcome!

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Also, what we call a "citation" (sometimes "quotation") is evidence of a word being used; we use these to construct dictionary definitions. See WT:QUOTE. A "reference", on the other hand, which is called a "citation" on Wikipedia, references another secondary source, such as a dictionary, and is used predominantly for verifying etymologies and usage notes, not the definitions themselves. (That we don't use another dictionary as our source for the existence of a word is largely so that we don't fall into the trap of adding "list words", words that, while often defined, are never used in practice.)

Possibly attestation is the correct term here. That's the term we used in all the linguistics courses I've done over the years, meaning an occurrence of the word, phrase, phoneme, suffix, etc etc etc in a text or corpus. Andrewa (talk) 22:18, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

A fuller introduction to Wiktionary for Wikipedians is Wiktionary:Wiktionary for Wikipedians. I recommend it.

Yes, I've found that. Great stuff. Andrewa (talk) 22:18, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I hope you enjoy editing Wiktionary! If you have any questions, then see the help pages, add a question to one of the discussion rooms or ask me on my talk page.​—msh210℠ (talk) 22:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! And thank you particularly for the heads-up at my English Wikipedia talk page. Happy to continue any dialogue here as you suggest.

I've actually been here for a while but this is my first new article here (I think), see Talk:simple engine#Creating my first article. There are some specific questions I've asked there, too. Andrewa (talk) 22:21, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see that now. In fact, you created an entry back in 2003, long before I was on the scene. Anyway, I've responded on that talkpage.​—msh210℠ (talk) 22:25, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

So I did! I had completely forgotten that one. It seems to have survived scrutiny... Andrewa (talk) 22:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)