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Have you considered using {{furigana}} instead? —suzukaze (t・c) 00:59, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
- I had not, as I had never even heard of it before until now (never seen it in use) but I just had a look at the template info page for it and it appears that it may be exactly what I've been looking for. Thanks!!! I really appreciate this suggestion and please feel free to suggest anything else you feel may be helpful to me. 馬太阿房 (talk) 01:09, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
The sort parameter for ja-kanjitab is also used for when the reading is irregular, even though it is not explicated on the documentation page. In the future, if you're unsure about the functioning of a template, you can start a new discussion on its talk page :) Nibiko (talk) 06:55, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Not only that, you should never leave comments in an entry like that. That's what the edit summary field in the edit form is for, or you can post your comment on the discussion page. Chuck Entz (talk) 09:41, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Nibiko Thanks. I've noticed that if sort is used to specify the kana spelling, it will not appear on the page, "Japanese terms with irregular kanji readings" under the kanji, but under the first kana only. I noticed if you don't use sort to specify the kana spelling, the word will only appear on that page under a heading for the first kanji. To me this seems more appropriate because it will appear on that page along with other entries using that kanji, whereas if you specified the kana spelling using sort in the kanjitab template, it will not appear with other entries using that character as the first kanji. Would you please start a new discussion on the kanjitab talk page to ask that the owner of the documentation make clearer how sort should be used? I have found a number of kanji entries with irregular readings which do not specify the kana reading using sort which will need to be edited if your understanding is correct 馬太阿房 (talk) 23:13, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Chuck Entz It was never my intention to leave comments in the entry and have no idea how I happened to do that, but I appreciate you pointing out that I had somehow done this. 馬太阿房 (talk) 23:13, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Nibiko Thanks. I've noticed that if sort is used to specify the kana spelling, it will not appear on the page, "Japanese terms with irregular kanji readings" under the kanji, but under the first kana only. I noticed if you don't use sort to specify the kana spelling, the word will only appear on that page under a heading for the first kanji. To me this seems more appropriate because it will appear on that page along with other entries using that kanji, whereas if you specified the kana spelling using sort in the kanjitab template, it will not appear with other entries using that character as the first kanji. Would you please start a new discussion on the kanjitab talk page to ask that the owner of the documentation make clearer how sort should be used? I have found a number of kanji entries with irregular readings which do not specify the kana reading using sort which will need to be edited if your understanding is correct 馬太阿房 (talk) 23:13, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- The standard is to sort Japanese entries by reading even when the readings are irregular. In fact, the fact that readings in Japanese can vary so wildly is the very reason that they are sorted by their reading, because the reading is more intuitive, whereas in Chinese, the readings are always regular, so they can be sorted by their spelling there. Nevertheless, the headwords are still in kanji because that is the clearest way to disambiguate them, although it is also worth mentioning that the category also includes soft-redirects like ateji for country names. I've edited the ja-kanjitab documentation to explicate this usage. It's true that there are many entries with irregular readings that lack the sort parameter, and whenever you come across them, you should add the sort parameter. There is another scenario of mixed-script words, where the lack of a sort parameter means that terms get sorted incorrectly in the categories that ja-kanjitab adds, although they are still sorted correctly in the categories that the headword template adds. However, in this scenario, most of us don't add the sort parameter, because I guess that most of us expect that this should be handled automatically. Nibiko (talk) 03:07, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Nibiko Thanks for adding to the kanjitab documentation regarding sort usage and for your explanation. 馬太阿房 (talk) 05:53, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
- The standard is to sort Japanese entries by reading even when the readings are irregular. In fact, the fact that readings in Japanese can vary so wildly is the very reason that they are sorted by their reading, because the reading is more intuitive, whereas in Chinese, the readings are always regular, so they can be sorted by their spelling there. Nevertheless, the headwords are still in kanji because that is the clearest way to disambiguate them, although it is also worth mentioning that the category also includes soft-redirects like ateji for country names. I've edited the ja-kanjitab documentation to explicate this usage. It's true that there are many entries with irregular readings that lack the sort parameter, and whenever you come across them, you should add the sort parameter. There is another scenario of mixed-script words, where the lack of a sort parameter means that terms get sorted incorrectly in the categories that ja-kanjitab adds, although they are still sorted correctly in the categories that the headword template adds. However, in this scenario, most of us don't add the sort parameter, because I guess that most of us expect that this should be handled automatically. Nibiko (talk) 03:07, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Readings of 海
[edit]Uh, you do know you're citing a Wiktionary right? ばかFumiko￥talk 10:42, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, of course I did consider this, but I figured that Japanese Wiktionary trumps English Wiktionary, when it comes to Japanese languange. I won't mind if you revert my reversion of your edit, but if you do so, could you also please remove the information from ja:海, until a worthy citation can be provided? Reasonable? 馬太阿房 (talk) 20:06, 10 May 2017 (UTC)