Template talk:sv-infl-noun-c-zero

Two things

Three questions: 1. why is this template called sv-noun-c-zero and the other one called sv-infl-noun-n-zero, makes no sense. 2. How do you make a form not follow the template's "rules"? I wanted to make the definite form perser to persern but 2=persern didn't work. All the words in Swedish that are common and get the so called "nollplural" (zero plural) end in one of four regular suffixes. Those are -are (eg. fiskare), -ier (eg. indier), -iker (eg. matematiker) and -er (eg. perser). These are the declination patterns of the suffixes:

Declination patterns

nominative indefinite singular	nominative definite singular	nominative indefinite plural	nominative definite plural
-are	-aren (-arn (colloquial syncopic form))	-are	-arna
-er	-ern	-er	-erna
-ier	-iern	-ier	-ierna
-iker	-ikern	-iker	-ikerna

Right now this tamplate puts -en to the singular definite form but since alla words only need an n I think that the e should ge removed. That way there wouldn't be any issue with a 2=-parameter since there is no need.Jonteemil (talk) 22:58, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

I came here in order to ask the same question. The "solution" for the last row in the table above is apparently to use {{sv-infl-noun-c-r}} with the parameter "3=ike". For example, matematiker has {{sv-infl-noun-c-r|3=matematike}}, optiker has {{sv-infl-noun-c-r|3=optike}}, and so on. Gabbe (talk) 06:42, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

For the record, I went ahead and changed the "en" to simply "n" as suggested above. It is now possible to use {{sv-infl-noun-c-zero}} on perser without resorting to the {{sv-infl-noun-c-r|3=perse}} workaround. Gabbe (talk) 16:29, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Override definite plural

This template, like the other Swedish templates, should allow overriding the four nominative cases using |1/2/3/4=

The documentation does state there are four overrides, but only two works:

• base = does not work
• stem = override the definite forms and adding -en/-na
• pluralstem = overriding the definite plural form and adding -na
• genitive = does not work

So these should be added:

• 1 = would work just like base does
• 2 = overrides the definite singular including ending
• 3 = overrides the plural forms, the definite adding -na
• 4 = overrides the definite plural including the ending

{{sv-noun-c-zero|4=sv-noun-c-zeroena}} would yield:

Declension of sv-infl-noun-c-zero

		nominative	genitive
singular	indefinite	sv-noun-c-zero	sv-noun-c-zeros
	definite	sv-noun-c-zeroen	sv-noun-c-zeroens
plural	indefinite	sv-noun-c-zero	sv-noun-c-zeros
	definite	sv-noun-c-zeroena	sv-noun-c-zeroenas

(I wanted to use a different word, but due to "base"/"1" not working, I had to use "sv-noun-c-zero")

Liggliluff (talk) 06:37, 14 August 2021 (UTC)