Template talk:ojp-info

Confusing template output

@Chuterix, this template is a bit of a mess.

• We already use subscripts like no₁ for 甲類 and no₂ for 乙類. For the sake of consistency and the principle of least surprise, we should continue using this same format.
• The use of blue and red as contrasting colors is bad design -- this results in unusability for anyone with red-blue color-blindness.
• Moreover, the template is using red to indicate 乙類 -- but then also to indicate misspelled vowels? This is unclear and will confuse readers.
• Lastly, splitting out simple wikicode functionality like {{color|red|{{{1}}}}} into entirely separate pages like [[Template:oj-info/otu]] unnecessarily complicates the code. This kind of thing would be much better kept inline in the code of the main template.

This template is not ready for prime time. Could you please have a look and rework? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 00:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

In addition, since this is about Old Japanese, presumably this kind of information should go in the ==Old Japanese== entries, and not in ==Japanese== entries. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 00:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm making this like a similar system to Aramaki's proposed User:荒巻モロゾフ/draft. Kinda like {{zh-pron}}.

I want to soon get Hirayama Teruo's Gendai Nihongo Hogen Daijiten, but ILLs cost money. Chuterix (talk) 02:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@荒巻モロゾフ's draft is certainly interesting, and it provides a lot of information. I personally think that the current configuration results in visual overload -- this takes up a lot of screen space, to present information that most of our readers can't use. I would suggest putting almost all of this in the expanding section, not just the "Accent data" portion. My sense is that, for the vast majority of users, the modern 標準語 pronunciation is the only thing that's relevant. After that, modern dialectal pronunciation. And lastly, the historical. The man'yōgana section is also good to have, but I don't think it belongs here -- this data is otherwise all about pronunciation, not spelling. Moving this to {{ja-kanjitab}} seems more appropriate. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 17:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)