Template talk:new en compar

Noun sense

I've added a generic sense for the noun because I don't think anyone would edit a page title ending in -er unless it were a red link, in which case this template wouldn't apply, or in the case that this page does apply, they did a manual search for the word, nine out of ten times having typed it in, in which case it's quite likely that the word has a different sense, most likely as a noun. Davilla 23:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Pretty cool. But I think such a thing should have it's own button, ne? [Noun+Adj] which would then call, um, the yet to be created template:new_en_adj_noun. Also, the noun is supposed to come after the adjective. --Connel MacKenzie T C 23:26, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, I still haven't learned to preview before saving, or I'd have noticed that that template already exists. Davilla, the template you are asking for already exists. Maybe the wording of your explanation above threw me off, I dunno. The first examples I found here were: minuter (more minute,) squarer (more square,) thicker, cooler and bolder. One of these has a regular noun form. Far from 9 out of 10. But even more to the point, the template you are looking for already exists, and is reachable by choosing the correct button. I'll roll your change back now. --Connel MacKenzie T C 00:08, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't see a template that includes the noun form "v. + er". Is it linked from Nogomatch? You may have been right to roll the changes back, though. Please allow me to brainstorm outloud. I'd spelled out my reasoning in a convoluted way, but essentially it's this: If someone enters a word ending in "er", it's not because they're thinking of the adjective sense first, as in your case. In general, if you know a word is being used as an adjective, you will recognize it as a comparative and instinctively remove the "er" (or just r if the e is required to make the vowel long—amazingly complex to describe, but it's nonetheless so intuitive we don't think about it). Thus, if a contributor is considering words to add, or browsing other people's requests, 9 times out of 10 a word they'd run across with "er" at the end will be a noun. The surest way you'd get an adjective-only "er" ending is from a red link, when the template wouldn't be available, and most people would for better or worse just redirect. The template is most likely used if the stem is coincidentally also an adjective. But the question is, how often is a coincidentally dual-sense "er" word that's a comparative also a noun derived from a verb? The reason the rollback is appropriate is that this is in fact convoluted. But it leads me to another idea I'll propose on Nogomatch. Davilla 00:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Two parameters

I've now given this template two parameters, "1" and "2". If nothing is inserted, only the template, it will work as always. Parameter 1 is the basic form of the adjective and parameter 2 is another headname if wanted. --EivindJ 14:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)