Template talk:mn-decl-noun
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plurals
[edit]Awesome work Stephen! What do you think we should do about the plural form? — 202.179.26.101 02:08, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
- As far as I know, they are not normally addressed in Mongolian declension tables. Plurals are considered to be just another suffix (and there are different ways of making plurals), and when a number is mentioned or if a plural word such as "many" is used, plural suffixes on nouns are considered redundant and are not used. The most common suffix for plurals is -ууд, -нууд, and -үүд, -нүүд; other plural markers include нар (nar), -д, -с, -чууд/-чүүд, or you can also repeat the noun or its complement: өндөр уул (alpine mountain) versus өндөр өндөр уул (alpine mountains). When a plural suffix is used, it precedes the case ending: зурагнуудыг (зураг-нууд-ыг). —Stephen (Talk) 03:54, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
- Yes the thing where plurals are not used after numbers etc was the first thing I noticed in common between Georgian and Mongolian. But I know Georgian case morphemes can come after the plural morpheme. For Mongolian all the sources I've read so far mention the plural briefly, go into detail about the cases, but say nothing whatsoever about whether both morphemes can be present at once. I got the impression that if there was a plural ending it would be on its own, but now I think that has to be wrong - it also wouldn't be very much what I'd expect of an agglutinative language. — hippietrail (talk) 18:28, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
- [1] says that the case endings follow the plural ending. —CodeCat 19:15, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
- Aha thanks for that. Now I can keep my eyes and ears open. Too bad I'm back in Inner Mongolia where I can't read the signs yet though. — hippietrail (talk) 03:52, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- [1] says that the case endings follow the plural ending. —CodeCat 19:15, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
- Yes the thing where plurals are not used after numbers etc was the first thing I noticed in common between Georgian and Mongolian. But I know Georgian case morphemes can come after the plural morpheme. For Mongolian all the sources I've read so far mention the plural briefly, go into detail about the cases, but say nothing whatsoever about whether both morphemes can be present at once. I got the impression that if there was a plural ending it would be on its own, but now I think that has to be wrong - it also wouldn't be very much what I'd expect of an agglutinative language. — hippietrail (talk) 18:28, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
- Hi guys, very interesting discussion. I am associate professor at National University of Mongolia and my research is to develop linguistic resources. I would like to help and make this table much better, and I also code in Lua. All I think here is that this table should be more dynamic because inflectional morphemes always change from depending on the last letters of lemma. For instance, the main genetive suffix for masculine nouns is '-ыг' and it works for most of masculine nouns except for masculine nouns ending with 'ь,ш,ж'. Those lemmas (e.g., 'морь' masculine noun meaning horse) uses the feminine genetive suffix '-ийг'. Similar irregular morphological rules happen all the time. Do you guys know how we can make this table more dynamic? I am also willing to help for coding this table. Thank you very much :)
- The template would need to be converted into a Lua module. I don't think it's too difficult to accomplish that, but since the existing template takes in the forms manually, a better approach might be to just create a new template that is able to create the forms automatically by using a module. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 13:13, 14 October 2021 (UTC)