Template talk:hu-decl-k-back

Discussion

{{{3}}}

If {{{3}}} is always k, which not just hard-code it? Why make people specify it?—msh210℠ 18:23, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. I've been thinking about hard coding the plural, too. Actually, I could hard code the plural not just in this template, but in the other declension templates since the plural is included in the template name. The plural was hard coded in the very first template that Ric created. When I started working on these templates a few days ago and created more, I added the plural as a parameter hoping that one template could handle multiple cases. I ended up with a separate template for each plural ending. If I make this change, I will have to go back and edit all nouns that use the templates. --Panda10 18:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

-ul/-ül and other suffixes

Why not have the -ul/-ül suffix (dontknowwhat-ive "case") automatically? Why say that it cannot be used? It can if there is such a situation. Románia can be plural, too. For example, in a derogatory way. "Az ilyen Romániák meg Szlovákiák nem érdekelnek." We do have that form, it's another thing that we don't use it too often. Why not list other suffixes like romániás, romániai or Romániailag, romániázik etc. (maybe not the best example word, it was just at hand). I mean these suffixes in the list are not more "special" or more unique then the others. There are no real "cases" in Hungarian, just suffixes. So listing is a bit sisyphean work. I guess it's better for the learner to understand the suffix-attaching rules than look for the suffixed forms in tables. Qorilla 17:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. The -ul/-ül suffix is less productive than the others and while theoretically it is possible to attach it to any noun, it doesn't make sense. If you can find reliable written literature where the -ul/-ül suffix is used with a noun, then please enter the word with the reference.

In the Hungarian language, affixes for nouns are divided into three groups: case endings, markers (-k for plural, possessive suffixes), derivational suffixes (they create a new part of speech). The -s, -i -ilag suffixes create a new part of speech, so words using them should be listed in the Derived terms section. The table lists only the noun forms. Although, some linguists say that -ul/-ül is not a case ending, but a derivational suffix, since it creates adverbs.

It is absolutely important for the learner to understand the rules of the language. A dictionary does not replace a grammar book and studying. --Panda10 19:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)