Template talk:Japanese demonstratives

Proposal

I was about to do some work on a number of demonstrative pronouns, such as add citations and references. However I was extremely dismayed to find this template on every single entry. To be blunt, it's huge, ugly, and redundant. Why create a dedicated entry when the template can write it in multiple scripts, romanization, and then define it? At best this kind of thing belongs in an appendix, not on actual entries. It is so large that it nearly overwhelms the actual entry itself. As a point of comparison, the corresponding English entries do not have anything similar. As a compromise, I propose replacing it with a category for Japanese demonstratives. That way it would be out of the way, but still accessible for those trying to find such information. Further, there are missing entries, so having a category is an ideal way for growth. Bendono 14:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Japanese demonstratives (edit)
ko-	so-	a-	do-
これ	それ	あれ	どれ
この	その	あの	どの
こんな	そんな	あんな	どんな
ここ	そこ	あそこ*	どこ
こちら	そちら	あちら	どちら
こう	そう	ああ	どう
* irregular

Categories cannot show the structure. Why don’t you remove all translations and Romanizations? - TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 01:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I have modified the template as shown above. - TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 07:21, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Reworked

I reworked the table to use a collapsible div, and to use language-specific links (using {{l|ja}}). Tagging the JA text as JA causes different site-wide CSS to apply, and the WT style for JA text is to use larger font sizes instead of bolding. This was ugly and visually confusing, so I just simplified the linked text. If anyone feels strongly about it, feel free to make changes. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 22:59, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Degree

@TAKASUGI Shinji: What about このくらい、これだけ、これほど? —Suzukaze-c (talk) 12:05, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

I think they are SOPs. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 13:56, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@TAKASUGI Shinji: What about adding them with the components linked separately, as このくらい? (Also, I created the これだけ entry the other day. It appears in numerous monolingual dictionaries.)—Suzukaze-c (talk) 09:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh yeah, これだけ has another sense that should be in a dictionary. Now I understand your point. I agree with you. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 10:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Bolding and Template:l-self

@Fytcha, re: your comment on diff, I'm afraid I don't know enough to handle this effectively in any decent timeframe. @Fish bowl, could you help Fytcha? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 22:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

@Eirikr: I think the module behind {{ja-r}} didn't have this capability so I've added it (diff). It can now be called using {{ja-r|self=1}} to behave analogously to {{l-self}} (see diff) which is a bit inelegant but gets the job done (see how ここ is bold in both its boxes now). Creating {{ja-r-self}} is an idea too so that the naming scheme is consistent with {{l}}>{{l-self}} and {{m}}>{{m-self}}. Also, I hope you don't get annoyed if I ping you a bit often regarding Japanese; if you do, don't hesitate to tell me and I will stop. My working philosophy is to rather ping a little to often than to have important things fly under the radar. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 22:46, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Marking 〜いつ terms as potentially rude or derogatory

I have taken the liberty of adding footnotes to terms like こいつ to indicate that inexperienced speakers should use them with care. (I could see somebody just looking up a term in the table without clicking through to the entry.) Please adjust if you feel there's a better approach. 166.181.87.37 02:53, 21 August 2024 (UTC)