Talk:tsampoy

Etymology

@Mlgc1998 Is the Cantonese origin from a source or from your own deduction? Mar vin kaiser (talk) 07:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser hmmmm, I can't remember exactly right now which source I read this from again. I vaguely remember I was working on this together with the etymology of kiamoy and maybe dikiam or some time after working on that one. ...hmmmm, I think I was reading the Kiamoy wikipedia page at that time and saw that they were talking about Champoy there too, so looked into the etymology of that too which the page mentioned was either from Philippine Hokkien or Cantonese, which I saw that the Cantonese one matched the phonology more rather than how one would expect to pronounce their provided Hokkien etymon. I think it was this version of the Kiamoy wikipedia page I read at that time, which User:Obsidian Soul made last November 2021. He cites 3 sources there, one of whom is from the Tsampoy page of Tagalog Lang online dictionary, which points the origin to Cantonese as well, "Chenpi (陳皮)"(this form is technically Mandarin), "Chanpui", "Chanpuimui (陳皮梅 or “tangerine-peel plum”)", but User:Obsidian Soul must've doubted them on the Cantonese origins, but medicine products and food coming from Hong Kong in the past decades or century sounds plausible for me, cuz like those hoisin sauce, Wong Lo Kat / Wang Lao Ji Herbal Tea can drink, hakaw, dimsum, wonton, beef hofan, and I think I read on the box of white flower eucalyptus oil that they manufacture from hong kong these days too. I think last time, I looked into the available wikt pages here also for 陳皮 / 陈皮 (chénpí) and 陳皮梅 / 陈皮梅 (chénpíméi), then considered it from those if there was just a bit of a shift on the understanding of the meaning definition. Mlgc1998 (talk) 15:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: The weird thing about this is that in Cantonese, the second syllable is "pei", which doesn't connect with "poy" of "tsampoy". However, I think the etymology is correct, since there are a lot of packaging that have 陳皮梅 with the transliteration "Chan Pui Mui", which matches "tsampoy" but funnily almost matches the Cantonese except for the second syllable. I really don't know why the transliteration says "Pui" instead of "Pei", but because of the existence of that, I think the etymology is connected more to that specific transliteration in 陳皮梅 packaging. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser must have something to do with how people interpreted the Cantonese pronunciation due to lack of familiarity with Cantonese or the interpretation of the second syllable tried to match or merge with the third syllable, or perhaps people tried to match, rhyme, harmonize it with kiamoy Mlgc1998 (talk) 19:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)