Talk:transgendercide
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Google barely returns anything other than one-ish nonce use from 2015. lattermint (talk) 17:47, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- Cited. Einstein2 (talk) 20:43, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- Is it though? The first "Daily Democrat" quote seems to use the term in the meaning "transgender genocide" (there is another use in the article itself that reads "Transgendercide is taking place", so it's pretty explicitly this sense). The second NYT quote is IMO indeterminable from the quotation alone as to whether it uses it to mean "the homicide of a transgender person" or "transgender genocide" since it seems to be a calque of Spanish travesticidio, but travesticidio does appear mean "the killing of a transgender person based on their identity", just like the definition (though I'm not a Spanish speaker, but [1] does point to this). And last, the third quotation uses it to mean "transgender genocide". In the end, we have neither sense having three required citations, so I'd like to contest this being cited (yet at least). lattermint (talk) 00:17, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- It's certainly cited, we just need to formulate a definition. In an ideal world we would list the "individual" vs "mass" senses separately, but the durably archived evidence can only sustain one sense at present, so I have tried to reformulate the definition to cover the entire scope of the word's limited use. There is precedent for this kind of sense-merging at RFV, although I can't identify a specific case off the top of my head. This, that and the other (talk) 09:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- This does help to illustrate why attempting to record terms which barely exist is a bad idea. The three citations rule should be interpreted to mean that three citations must be provided as evidence that many thousands of other uses also exist. Terms like this are reasonably likely to be coined several times with possibly disparate meanings, but until there is some wider adoption and use they are still nonces. - TheDaveRoss 12:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Is it though? The first "Daily Democrat" quote seems to use the term in the meaning "transgender genocide" (there is another use in the article itself that reads "Transgendercide is taking place", so it's pretty explicitly this sense). The second NYT quote is IMO indeterminable from the quotation alone as to whether it uses it to mean "the homicide of a transgender person" or "transgender genocide" since it seems to be a calque of Spanish travesticidio, but travesticidio does appear mean "the killing of a transgender person based on their identity", just like the definition (though I'm not a Spanish speaker, but [1] does point to this). And last, the third quotation uses it to mean "transgender genocide". In the end, we have neither sense having three required citations, so I'd like to contest this being cited (yet at least). lattermint (talk) 00:17, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
RFV-passed This, that and the other (talk) 23:40, 13 August 2023 (UTC)