Talk:tobacconist's

RFD discussion: May–June 2015

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tobacconist's

Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2007-07/Exclusion of possessive case specifically bans this kind of entry. It is not idiomatic: 's regularly has the effect it has in this case; I am going to the tobacconist's [shop] is no different from I am going to the doctor's [office] / to my aunt's [house] / to the mechanic's [shop] / to Fred's [house or restaurant or shop] / etc.
If anyone feels we need a place to store translations of "smoke shop", "doctor's office", etc, I will argue quite firmly that [[smoke shop]] and [[doctor's office]] (or indeed just [[tobacconist]], see sense 2) would be better translation targets than [[tobacconist's]] and [[doctor's]] even if we hadn't voted to ban the latter.
- -sche (discuss) 03:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

• Keep. tobacconist is person; tobacconist's is a shop. Different word, different meaning. The second definition of tobacconist looks wrong to me. SemperBlotto (talk) 06:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I moved the translations from the second sense of "tobacconist" to "tobacconist's" to prepare for possible deletion. --Hekaheka (talk) 02:04, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

• Keep This isn't simply the "possessive case form" of tobacconist (which would be banned according to the vote), it's a noun of its own derived from the possessive of tobacconist. In that respect, it's no different to confectioner's (which survived RFD), butcher's, greengrocer's, chemist's (which is an especially interesting example, since pharmacists aren't generally called chemists these days) etc. Smurrayinchester (talk) 11:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

  In the UK they're much more commonly called chemists. Pharmacist sounds quite posh but it is used. Renard Migrant (talk) 16:58, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

• Keep. It is different from "doctor’s". —Stephen ^(Talk) 15:05, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

How so? 86.152.163.37 11:43, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

However -'s does cover this: In the absence of a specified object, used to indicate “the house/place/establishment of”. Perhaps this definition is new, but, it would seem to cover a lot of the usage we have like tobacconist's, confectioner's, butcher's, greengrocer's, chemist's. Renard Migrant (talk) 16:58, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Kept. bd2412 T 14:48, 11 June 2015 (UTC)