Talk:tanghali

Sentence

@Ysrael214 I was reading the example sentence you added, "Tanghali na tayo sa panonoorin natin sa 6pm!", doesn't that sound wrong? Seems more right to say "Tanghali na tayo makakarating sa panonoorin natin sa 6pm", or "Tanghali na tayo makakapanood ng sa 6pm", right? Mar vin kaiser (talk) 10:10, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: Also, where did you get "tanhali", by the way? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 10:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Dunno that's how my family uses it, and it's fine to me, but your sentence is fine too but that's more of an adverb, I'm speaking of it as an adjective. Tanhali is from Diccionario Tagalog-Hispano, Serrano-Laktaw Ysrael214 (talk) 10:15, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Can be used even in nighttime just to say it's getting late. Ysrael214 (talk) 10:16, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: If it's nighttime, don't people say "maghahating-gabi na"? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 10:17, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Yes, but that's literal. I think tanghali na has some idiom sense to it. Both can be used. Ysrael214 (talk) 10:18, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser or something like "Ano? Gumagayak ka pa din? Tanghali ka na!", which looks to me as an adjective like "Late ka na!" Ysrael214 (talk) 10:20, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser

https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=kihIBQLNm6EC&pg=PA16&dq=%22tanghali+ka+na%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjUwLPg3t_7AhXrrlYBHbVhCygQ6AF6BAgLEAI#v=onepage&q=%22tanghali%20ka%20na%22&f=false

Tho maybe that can be interpreted as "tanghali ka na (makakarating) with makakarating as implicit." Ysrael214 (talk) 10:20, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: Based on your understanding of the word "tanghali" to mean "late" as an adjective, can we use this word to say "You'll be late for class", something like "Tanghali ka na klase mo", or a teacher, upon seeing a student arrive late, to say "You're late for class!", like "Tanghali ka na klase ko!" --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 10:31, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser "Tanghali ka na *sa* klase ko", then it's correct. Basically it just means late "Late ka na sa klase ko", nobody says "Late ka na klase ko" lol. Ysrael214 (talk) 10:33, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser I'm guessing the meaning was derived from early Filipinos seemingly wasting the day if they start doing things by noon so they need to rise very early for stuff. Ysrael214 (talk) 10:37, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: Sorry, I mistyped, I meant to type "tanghali ka na sa klase mo", and "tanghali ka na sa klase ko". How about, if the class is at evening, and a student keeps arriving late every time, can the teacher remark "Tanghali ka lagi sa klase ko a", to mean "You're always late to my class". Does that sound like a correct use of the word "tanghali" based on your understanding? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 10:40, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Hmm. I think that sounded wrong for me because there's no "na" particle. But, "tanghali ka na sa night shift mo" works. It's like when you substitute, "huli", it should work. "Huli ka na sa night shift mo". But "Huli ka lagi sa klase ko a" sounds like your last instead of you're late. Hmm, really needs that "na" particle to mean "late", otherwise it's just the literal noon, and using lagi conflicts with "na" in my opinion. Ysrael214 (talk) 10:47, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Some other source:

https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=j2Mwt73TFDoC&pg=PA233&dq=%22tanghali+na+tayo%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwih-PL95N_7AhXjmlYBHcy6Bb8Q6AF6BAgDEAI#v=onepage&q=%22tanghali%20na%20tayo%22&f=false Ysrael214 (talk) 10:48, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: How about as an appositive adjective? Can I say "We are the late students today." like "Kami ang tanghaling estudyante ngayong araw." (as another way of saying "Kami ang leyt na estudyante ngayong araw"), or maybe I can add a "na" particle, "Kami ang tanghali nang estudyante ngayong araw." Sounds OK or no? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 10:52, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: This one, a distant past example. "We were late to class last month." Can I say, "Tanghali na kami sa klase noong isang buwan." --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 10:53, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser These sound off lol. I think tanghali na, applies more to events that haven't happened yet but you're about to be late. Hmm.. I'm thinking because this sentence works too. "Hahaha binati mo pa ako ng birthday ko ngayon eh isang araw pa yun. Tanghali ka na, pero salamat." Ysrael214 (talk) 10:58, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Yeah I think more on the recent period because "tanghali ka na" here refers to the "pagbati" which just happened.

Can exist as "tanghali na", "tanghali na ako", "tanghali ka na", "tanghali na siya", "tanghali na kayo", "tanghali na sila", you get the idea.

"Ang tagal mo. Tanghali na." Ysrael214 (talk) 11:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Can be rephrased I think as "Tinanghali na kaming mga estudyante ngayong araw." Ysrael214 (talk) 11:01, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Though for here, I'd probably use "huli" or "late" more. "Kami po ang nahuling mga estudyante ngayong araw". Ysrael214 (talk) 11:06, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Oh yea, tanghali na seems more of a hyperbole use too. Ysrael214 (talk) 11:21, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: Just made edits based on our exchange here. Tell me if you have other thoughts. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:33, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser That's fine thanks! Ysrael214 (talk) 13:36, 4 December 2022 (UTC)