Talk:take exception
Deletion discussion
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This seems redundant to take exception (and even that is a bit SoP, considering exception#Noun sense 4, but I'm willing to keep that for whatever reason) so recommended course of action is to delete senses, merge metadata (quotes, refs, translations) to take exception, then leave it as a hard redirect to take exception. Perhaps there could be a usage note saying that take exception is usually, but not always, paired with to. (I wasn't exactly sure whether to best post this in RFM or RFD, but since deletion of the senses seemed more controversial I decided here.) TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 05:29, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- My preference is to combines everything along the lines you suggest, including the redirect. I like to put the complement information on the relevant sense line with
{{cx}}(like Longman's Dictionary of Contemporary English) and have the redirect from take exception to go to the specific sense using{{senseid}}. Those who have less interest in Wiktionary as a useful monolingual dictionary seem to like the freedom of having as many translation targets as possible. DCDuring TALK 06:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC) - The RFD discussion archived at Talk:wait for may be relevant. (And there's also some discussion archived at Talk:take exception to, but just between DCDuring and me.) —RuakhTALK 07:26, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- If my memory worked better, I would have provided the Talk references. The only new development is the availability of
{{senseid}}. I also note that the length-of-entry (actually length-of-L2) argument does not apply to [[take exception]]. DCDuring TALK 13:38, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- If my memory worked better, I would have provided the Talk references. The only new development is the availability of
- Redirect as proposed. bd2412 T 17:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect; “take exception”, in OneLook Dictionary Search., “take exception to”, in OneLook Dictionary Search.. Prepositions are usually not part of lemma (no object to, smile at or fight against, but we have disagree with and probably should not) unless they drive the semantics, which they do at look after, look at and look into. On the principle I mentioned, wait for would be deleted as well; “wait for”, in OneLook Dictionary Search.. In any case, we do not want to indiscriminately include any preposition as part of the lemma of the verb with which the preposition combines. --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:51, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Redirected as proposed. bd2412 T 16:07, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
quick note on etymology
[edit]With just a quick look its origin appears to be the use of "exception" in place of "objection", where "take objection to" is antiquated in use. This deserves a better researcher than myself to close the deal on this, but I believe it would provide some relief.