Talk:stick up for

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stick up for

stick up

(Sense 4)

These are redundant, and one or the other should go (although to be clear, I'm not nominating both simultaneously. Think of this as Schrödinger's RFD). On the one hand, I can't think of any way to use "stick up" in this sense without sticking a "for" to it. (You can't just "stick up to the bully", you have to "stick up for someone") On the other hand, you can stick adverbs into this phrase ("stuck up properly for", "stuck up boldly for", "stuck up loudly for"). Since I don't know which should go, I'm going to throw it open to the community. Smurrayinchester (talk) 09:10, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

stick up for should definitely be kept. Maybe this pair should have been entered separately. There is also an adjective stuck up which is perfectly OK. Donnanz (talk) 10:22, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I didn't notice that only one sense of stick up is being queried. Maybe a redirect from one to the other would suffice. Stick and up are separable (e.g. Stick your hands up.), while "stick up for" isn't. Donnanz (talk) 10:38, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Contra SMurray, searching for stick up to shows that some dictionaries have it (though no OneLook references do) and that there is some usage, not all dated, mostly colloquial. What's more, it has two senses: "defy" and something like "remain committed to (a statement or position)". But I can't find a justification for a sense of stick up that is common to both, except {{&lit|stick|up}}, used metaphorically only with one or the other following particle. I don't know whether one can say "I stuck up to ("defied") him for her" rather than "I stuck up for ("defended") her to him."

Keep stick up for. Add stick up to. I don't think we can rely on users who search for "stick up" to page down to Derived terms to find either stick up to or stick up for. So I think we need to keep the definition line at stick up that corresponds to stick up for and add one that corresponds to stick up to. By my lights those definition lines could read: "(with for) See stick up for." and mutatus mutandi for to. DCDuring TALK 14:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• Keep stick up for. "Stick up" in the "stick up for" sense doesn't work unless followed by a preposition, so it may not be viable. Purplebackpack89 14:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
• Keep stick up for, and delete relevant sense from stick up. --WikiTiki89 21:57, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

  Maybe a redirect from "stick up" to "stick up for" would be desirable, as I suggested above. Donnanz (talk) 17:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

  I think you mean a link, not a redirect. A redirect deletes the other three meanings. Renard Migrant (talk) 17:51, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

  A link or redirect, whatever you want to call it, from sense 4. Donnanz (talk) 18:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

• Like Wikitiki89 says. The preposition "for" is not optional so it must be included. Renard Migrant (talk) 16:22, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
  • The preposition "for" may be optional, but there has to be a preposition of some sort. Purplebackpack89 17:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
• BTW, The existing definition 4 is completely inadequate in any event as it does not really fit the cases where one in standing up for someone or something other than oneself. DCDuring TALK 19:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

stick up (senses 1 and 3)

(Since this is a separate nom, I'll separate it Smurrayinchester (talk) 18:43, 10 December 2014 (UTC))

(Thanks Smurrayinchester. Renard Migrant (talk) 11:21, 11 December 2014 (UTC))

Separate nomination, "To put up by sticking." and "To be prominent; to point upwards." should be converted to {{&lit}}. Renard Migrant (talk) 17:51, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I certainly agree we should delete "To put up by sticking" and add {{&lit|stick|up}}. It does not seem to be at all a phrasal verb. Depending on what is being stuck + up there are synonyms. For example, He stuck the poster high on the bulletin board. Adverbial high is a specialization of up.

I'm less certain about the other, though adverbs like out and down and many prepositional phrases seem to play the same role as upDCDuring TALK 18:58, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

• Keep 4 Keep 3 What sense of "stick" does this use? I can't see any way of forming this from stick + up. Don't care massively about sense 1. Smurrayinchester (talk) 18:43, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

  I think the question is whether it can be used and defined apart from its use in stick up for ("defend, advocate on behalf of") or the missing (IMO) stick up to ("defy"). I wondered above whether there should not be sense lines in [[stick up]] that refer users to [[stick up for]] and [[stick up to]]. DCDuring TALK 19:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant "3", not "4", refering to Renard Migrant's nomination of the "be prominent" sense. Stupid mistake on my part. Smurrayinchester (talk) 21:32, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

MWOnline has no less than 10 definitions of intransitive stick in addition to 16 for transitive stick. Sense 5 is: "project, protrude". I think that fits. The define protrude as "to jut out from the surrounding surface or context <a handkerchief protruding from his breast pocket>" One could substitute stick out into that usage example and get the less formal a handkerchief sticking out from his breast pocket. DCDuring TALK 23:23, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

• Keep current sense 1 "To put up by sticking" and sense 3 "To be prominent; to point upwards". Not obvious to me that these are sum of parts. (Nominated in diff.) --Dan Polansky (talk) 13:52, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Kept, no consensus to delete any of the nominated senses. bd2412 T 04:19, 26 January 2015 (UTC)