Talk:smöken
Add topicLatest comment: 8 years ago by Leasnam
@leasnam Modern vocalism as I know it always has the vowel from PGM *au and a Google search doesn't produce results which point to *smuk-. This word might be a backformation from the noun or go back to some *smaukan, but I'm not really knowledgeable about PGM or Old Saxon. How do you suppose we deal with this? Korn [kʰũːɘ̃n] (talk) 18:06, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
- @korn, the Old Saxon attestation would provide the answer, yet unfortunately it's absent. And the alternatives you mention above are probably more likely. We can either remove the proto-germanic entirely from the etymology, or add all to it. Leasnam (talk) 14:21, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- For grins, I added both verbs to see how ugly it might appear...it doesn't look too bad imo. (Didn't mention the noun yet though) Leasnam (talk) 14:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- On final thought I think you're right. I removed *smukōn, and replaced it with *smōkian. Your thoughts ? Leasnam (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- Well, it's an educated guess matching the best of our knowledge of modern developments without any contradicting data and reaffirmed by cognates. Until someone comes with proper citations of the opposite, I think it's best Wiktionary practice to keep it as it is. Köbler points to the noun, rather than to an OSX etymon, for both "smôken" (intransitive) and "smö̂ken" (transitive). I added some caveat phrasings, feel free to smoothen it. Korn [kʰũːɘ̃n] (talk) 15:19, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- Looks good. Thanks ! Leasnam (talk) 02:26, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- Well, it's an educated guess matching the best of our knowledge of modern developments without any contradicting data and reaffirmed by cognates. Until someone comes with proper citations of the opposite, I think it's best Wiktionary practice to keep it as it is. Köbler points to the noun, rather than to an OSX etymon, for both "smôken" (intransitive) and "smö̂ken" (transitive). I added some caveat phrasings, feel free to smoothen it. Korn [kʰũːɘ̃n] (talk) 15:19, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- On final thought I think you're right. I removed *smukōn, and replaced it with *smōkian. Your thoughts ? Leasnam (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- For grins, I added both verbs to see how ugly it might appear...it doesn't look too bad imo. (Didn't mention the noun yet though) Leasnam (talk) 14:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC)