Talk:saucijs
Add topicLatest comment: 2 years ago by Nicodene in topic Isn't it directly from French?
Isn't it directly from French?
[edit]@Lingo Bingo Dingo So says the FEW and the sound-changes are suspiciously identical. The pronunciation with /ɑu̯/ is no obstacle either, if we keep in mind Old French /au̯/. Nicodene (talk) 23:15, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- EWN says that in Middle Dutch it was initially directly borrowed from Latin, and subsequently influenced by stages of French, but older references went with just French < Latin. [1]
←₰-→Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 20:54, 1 September 2022 (UTC)- @Lingo Bingo Dingo Assuming this Middle Dutch ⟨salcijsken⟩ represented a pronunciation like */salˈsiːs-/, it is straightforwardly explainable as a borrowing from early Old French salsice /salˈ(t)sisə/. It seems, then, that as the pronunciation of the word changed in French, the Dutch word followed suit, in some respects, due to ongoing contact with French. Nicodene (talk) 22:50, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that is relatively close to the historical pronunciation.
←₰-→Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 19:08, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that is relatively close to the historical pronunciation.
- @Lingo Bingo Dingo Assuming this Middle Dutch ⟨salcijsken⟩ represented a pronunciation like */salˈsiːs-/, it is straightforwardly explainable as a borrowing from early Old French salsice /salˈ(t)sisə/. It seems, then, that as the pronunciation of the word changed in French, the Dutch word followed suit, in some respects, due to ongoing contact with French. Nicodene (talk) 22:50, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Nicodene I have revised the etymology a little. What are your thoughts?
←₰-→Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 19:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)- @Lingo Bingo Dingo I have revised it a bit more. The later French influence seems to have been more than just a matter of spelling. For the Middle Dutch salcijsken, I suppose the ending is a diminutive or such? If so that may be worth noting. Nicodene (talk) 19:55, 22 September 2022 (UTC)