Talk:ragleaf

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Is the given definition, which comes from Wikipedia, for "ragleaf" or for "redflower ragleaf"? Does "ragleaf" exist outside the phrase "redflower ragleaf"? — Paul G 07:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

The definition is for redflower ragleaf. There is also an unrelated ragleaf bahia (Bahia dissecta). —Stephen 18:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Quotations

I will store quotations here temporarily. — Beobach 19:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

1. Here are uses of the phrase "ragleaf bahia" (variously capitalised):
   • 1980, Michael A. Weiner, Earth Food: Plant Remedies, Drugs, and Natural Foods of the North American Indians, page 42:

     § RAGLEAF BAHIA

     The Navajos, who called the ragleaf bahia herb twisted medicine, drank a tea of the roots boiled in water for thirty minutes for contraceptive purposes.

   • 1981, Raymond Stark, The Book of Aphrodisiacs, page 112:

     [...] Mylitta is of n known medicinal value to females.

     Ragleaf Bahia Bahia dissecta

     Ragleaf Bahia, which grows inside the Grand Canyon, is a Navajo Indian medicine against conception.

   • 1992, Reay Tannahill, Sex in History, page 32:

     [...] A woman who wishes to avoid conceiving drinks a cup of the infusion every day. The Navajo use, or used, a tea of ragleaf bahia; the Shoshoni of Nevada an infusion of stone- seed roots; [...]

1. Here is a use (mention?) of the word "ragleaf" to mean "wild chysanthemum, ragleaf bahia, yellow ragweed":
   • 1995, Lewis E. Epple and Anne Orth Epple, A field guide to the plants of Arizona, →ISBN, page 260:

     [...] Comments: Five species of Bahia (baa-EE-ah) in Arizona. There are varieties and intermediates of this species which vary in leaf and flower characteristics. Photograph taken in Tucson area, April 18.

     WILD CHRYSANTHEMUM   396

     Ragleaf, ragleaf bahia, yellow ragweed

     Bahia dissecta

     Sunflower Family (Compositae)

     Height: To 3′.

     Flowers: Yellow rays, darker yellow disks; to 3/4″ wide; numerous; in open, branched cluster.

     Leaves: Green, pinnate, divided 2 or 3 times; basal leaves deeply lobed, to 3 1/4″ long.

1. "yellow ragleaf":
   • 1989, Page Stegner, Outposts of Eden: a curmudgeon at large in the American West:

     There is a pungent smell of sage and pinon and damp dust that triggers the memory of other wakings in other deserts. There is a walk I take down the wash (while Lynn works her magic on instant coffee, rye-crisp, and a wizened apple), and the astonishing color and multiplicity of wildflowers — yellow ragleaf, purple phlox, orange globemallow, red verbena, the white [...]

1. Here is the scientific name of "redflower ragleaf" and uses (mentiosn?) of that phrase:
   • 2009, Dale R. McCullough, Seiki Takatsuki, and K. Kaji (editors), Sika Deer: Biology and Management of Native and Introduced Populations, page 128:

     The exotic forbs Erechtites hieracifolia (fireweed) and Crassocephalum crepidoides (redflower ragleaf) grow on open, disturbed lands.

   • 2001, Ismail BS, Chuah TS, Salmijah S & Hussain KH, Role of superoxide disumtase and peroxidase activities in paraquat-resistant redflower ragleaf (Crassociphalum crepidoides {Benth.) S. Moore), published in the Aust. J. Agric. Res. 52, pages 583–586:

Conclusions

From what I find, I conclude: ragleaf bahia (which is Bahia dissecta) might meet CFI, but is rare. Redflower ragleaf (which is Crassocephalum crepidoides) might also meet CFI, but is rare. "Ragleaf" is only used by itself once; it does not meet CFI. — Beobach 20:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, "fireweed" is not a synonym but a different plant, and "thickhead" and "ebolo" are only synonyms for "redflower ragleaf" (Crassocephalum crepidoides), not Bahia. — Beobach 20:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

References

There's a sketch of Ragleaf Bahia on page 209 of A Field Guide to Southwestern and Texas Wildflowers, by Theodore F. Niehaus, Roger Tory Peterson, Virginia Savage, and Charles L. Ripper.

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Previous discussion: Talk:ragleaf. —Ruakh_TALK 14:22, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Tagged, but not listed anymore. I will see about cleaning it up and verifying it myself, as there are a few hits on Google Books, but I thought I should list it (as it was already tagged) given that I am listing the supposed plural below. — Beobach 23:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm storing quotations on the talk page. — Beobach 19:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

From what I find, I conclude: ragleaf bahia (which is Bahia dissecta) might meet CFI, but is rare (some of the quotations I've found are mentions, not uses). Redflower ragleaf (which is Crassocephalum crepidoides) might also meet CFI, but is rare (again, some of the quotations I've found are mentions, not uses). "Ragleaf" is only used by itself once; it does not meet CFI: unless citations are found outside of Google Books, it fails. — Beobach 20:33, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Also note: "fireweed" is not a synonym but a different plant, and "thickhead" and "ebolo" are only synonyms for "redflower ragleaf" (Crassocephalum crepidoides), not Bahia. — Beobach 20:33, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 19:55, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

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