Talk:pastry shop

RFD discussion: July–September 2018

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pastry shop

Translation hub but translations refer to another entry? The single word does not seem attestable, so cannot COALMINE either. SURJECTION _{·talk·contr·log·} 20:05, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

• I must confess I have never heard of a pastry shop, patisserie yes. In fact I think patisserie is preferred in English. So if this is unverifiable, delete I think. DonnanZ (talk) 09:49, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

On second thoughts, it may be better to send it to RFV. DonnanZ (talk) 10:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Well no, because it's SOP. SURJECTION _{·talk·contr·log·} 13:29, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

You will find other so-called SoP terms at shop#Derived terms, so that argument doesn't hold much water. The more pertinent question is whether the term is actually used or not, which is why I suggested RFV. DonnanZ (talk) 17:59, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Easily verified via Google Books. It seems slightly dated. Today I would expect "bakery", "cake shop", or "patisserie". Equinox ◑ 18:02, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it does hold water, because those entries pass via WT:LEMMING, which can be easily verified with OneLook. "pastry shop", however, does not. SURJECTION _{·talk·contr·log·} 18:05, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps the term should be mentioned in a user note for the "patisserie" entry? Andrew Sheedy (talk) 19:17, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

The definition for patisserie reads "pastry shop" already, not "a shop that sells pastries". But being dated, as Equinox suggests, doesn't surprise me. DonnanZ (talk) 19:32, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

...which is bad anyway, since pastry shop itself has no gloss and is simply a translation hub. SURJECTION _{·talk·contr·log·} 19:39, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I fail to see how it can be a translation hub (without a definition) when the creator decided to redirect translations to patisserie anyway. A bit contradictory. DonnanZ (talk) 19:49, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I have revised patisserie, and turned pastry shop into a synonym, scrapping the translations hub, which was pointless. It could still do with some quotations though, @Equinox? DonnanZ (talk) 21:07, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• Delete. I included pastry shop in a usage example at [[pastry]]. DCDuring (talk) 21:29, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
• Keep per WT:COALMINE: [1], [2], [3]; for each, I verified on the scan that there is no space and no hyphen. The suspicion that this might be coalminable came from pastryshop,pastry-shop,pastry shop at the Google Books Ngram Viewer.. --Dan Polansky (talk) 13:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)