Talk:pants

Pants!

Out of curiosity, why is pants plural? I was told that each leg is a pant, which doesn't really make sense since no one wears just one side of the leg. Same goes with scissors. Did they sell just one side of the pants at one point? How about scissors?

Removed this - it was daft!--Williamsayers79 12:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Pants are not Underpants

It should be obvious that pants means trousers and the like, whereas underpants refer to undergarments! That is why I have cleared up this entry. The usage of pants when referring to underpants is slang.--Williamsayers79 14:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

It is not slang in the UK - pants mean underpants here. Slang use of pants in the UK is in Northern England only and is for trousers. --Amedeofelix 15:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

It is an Americanism to commonly refer to trousers as pants. --Amedeofelix 15:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Pants definitely means underpants in the UK and not trousers.

Pants meaning trousers is not a Northern England expression, it's from Ireland (and Liverpool). 94.192.74.28 13:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Pants are definitely trousers in Lancashire, UK.

Pants are indeed trousers in North West England - can this be changed on main page? Or is a single region not sufficient?

Any chance of showing us an example in writing, e.g. a published book? Equinox ◑ 13:28, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Just added a quote from the Lancashire Telegraph. Overlordnat1 (talk) 23:10, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Pants are definitely trousers in the North East of England too, at least they were when I grew there in the 1950s-70s. We would never have referred to underpants as 'pants'. — This unsigned comment was added by Richard8686 (talk • contribs).

I've just changed it, using the famous folk song 'The Blackleg Miner' as proof. --Overlordnat1 (talk) 12:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Verb Definition

I know this isn't verification, but I've heard (and used) "pants" as the verb definition for many years. Perhaps it's slang? 68.223.18.76 19:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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pants

"To pants"? "Pantsing"? All three verb senses. --Connel MacKenzie 15:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Stephen has (correctly, I think) removed two of those senses. Of the remaining one:

Most of the b.g.c. hits for "pantsed" are in the sense of "adj.-pantsed" (like "red-haired", "blue-eyed", "baggy-pantsed"), which makes this harder to cite than it should be, but it's still doable.

• date?, Keith Hunter Jesperson, quoted in Jack Olsen, “I”: The Creation of a Serial Killer, St. Martin's Press (2003), →ISBN, page 124,

  They always pantsed the freshmen in front of the girls, but I didn’t know it was a tradition. […] they pulled my pants down to my ankles. Then they giggled and walked away.

• 1998 August, anonymous, quoted in Peter H. Merkl, A Coup Attempt in Washington?: A European Mirror on the 1998-1999 Constitutional Crisis, Palgrave Macmillan (2001), →ISBN, page 174,

  They pulled down their swimming trunks to embarrass them. They called it ‘pantsing’ and, I think, Judge Starr just pantsed your president with his Starr Report and DNA test.

Is it acceptable to provide a cite from an episode of a TV show? The protagonist of Quantum Leap was "pantsed" in the episode "Camikazi Kid". (We don't actually need that cite — there are more cites available on b.g.c. — but I think it would be nice to mix it up a bit if no one minds.)

While printed sources are generally preferred, yes, quotations that convey the flavor better, are better. --Connel MacKenzie 19:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally, I also came across some cites for the more intuitive "de-pants" in the same sense.

—Ruakh_TALK 17:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

With the hyphen, right? --Connel MacKenzie 19:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Yup. —Ruakh_TALK 19:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

This is also the third person form of to pant (breathe heavily), right? --Connel MacKenzie 19:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, we already have that. (That's why I focused my search on "pantsed". "Pantsing" should also be searchable, though.) —Ruakh_TALK 19:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

No, I didn't mean for verification; I didn't see it hidden under the second etymology. Right you are - it was there all along. --Connel MacKenzie 03:34, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The “de-pants” sense is now cited. Rod (A. Smith) 22:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

RFV passed. Thanks, Rod. —Ruakh_TALK 20:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

pants=rubbish/something unvalued ???

I heard this in England some 10 years ago or more and here it is another recent context . . http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hereford/worcs/7585098.stm

Can someone from England give a proper definition.... is it rubbish/something of no or little vlaue???

 Done See adjective. Equinox ◑ 13:27, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Plural-singular issue

I think we should do something similar here to what Paul G suggested on the talk pages of pyjamas and pajamas. So as the English word is in the plural, translations that are in singular ought to be marked as well. Ferike333 11:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Use of "Australian" in "noun" category

All other nations/regions are listed simply by their name (i.e. North America, South Africa); Australian usage, however, is listed in its demonym/adjectival form (i.e. Australian, rather than Australia). I tried to edit this, but could not find a way to do so.

Move and etymology

The adjective form is in the section "Etymology 1". Did the adjective form really come from "Shortened from pantaloons (“trousers”)"? The adjective form should be at the bottom of this entry, for it is the least known meaning of the word "pants". --99percentNog1percentNig (talk) 07:55, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Use in Ireland

The use of pants in Ireland to refer to trousers is, at most, debatable. A quick search showed far more "Americans say pants where we say trousers" and "we say pants while they say underwear" than sites which suggest the reverse. If someone wants to show a definitive source saying it is more common than trousers for referring to legwear or more commonly referring to legwear than underwear, then I would be happy to accept it.

Also while I'm here, does half of North England need to be named?Kanjo Kotr (talk) 06:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

hyponyms

i added a bunch of hyponyms sorted by sense to this page today, but realized that perhaps they should have been at trousers and underpants instead and that this page doesnt really need a hyponyms section. If we decide to move them, i think they should all be moved, not just the ones i added, since what led me to start this was that we had just two entries in the hyponyms section and so it looked like a project that someone had started but not gone far with. —Soap— 15:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Having thought about this some more, I think it's fine the way it is now, because there are some types of pants that are neither trousers nor underwear. But I'm not going to just abandon this, either. I will come back if I have more ideas. —Soap— 15:41, 14 March 2023 (UTC)