Talk:newmodel
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There is one quotation for this spelling (vs. hyphenated or open). DCDuring TALK 21:05, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
- I have added a few cites. Leasnam 14:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- The cites look good to me. I had never heard this before. I still find no on-line dictionary that has it, rather than new-model. I expect the facts (identity of meaning and relative frequency) will support it being an alternative spelling of new-model. DCDuring TALK 14:57, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- For example, I don't find either spelling of the verb at COCA or BNC. DCDuring TALK 15:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- I wonder whether the term and its relatively short life are attributable to Cromwell's w:New Model Army (1645-1660). That would give it an atypical etymology, not true prefixation. DCDuring TALK 15:22, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- This really doesn't surprise me at all, since I find a LOT of words which are not entried anywhere, but are apparently, and have apparently, been in use for quite some time. Leasnam 15:31, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- COCA and BNC are corpora of contemporary English, American and British respectively, not dictionaries. I think dictionaries follow, with a lag, contemporary usage. The dictionaries that had new-model were older. Webster's 1828 and 1913 have the hyphenated spelling. Contemporary dictionaries, Webster's Revised Unabridged (1996-8) excepted, have neither spelling. DCDuring TALK 16:25, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- This really doesn't surprise me at all, since I find a LOT of words which are not entried anywhere, but are apparently, and have apparently, been in use for quite some time. Leasnam 15:31, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- Two of the cites, by Burke and Madison, are not properly dated. Is the Shakespeare edition cite from an introduction, a preface, a footnote? It certainly isn't by Shakespeare. The cites otherwise seem valid. DCDuring TALK 16:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- I believe from a footnote. I have replaced it with another, better one (I hope). Leasnam 18:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- The cites look good to me. I had never heard this before. I still find no on-line dictionary that has it, rather than new-model. I expect the facts (identity of meaning and relative frequency) will support it being an alternative spelling of new-model. DCDuring TALK 14:57, 16 June 2011 (UTC)