Talk:nahāru

@माधवपंडित Is it really an r-stem? It seems to be a u-steam that retains the r perhaps via metathesis of *snáHwar > *snáHru. pitar is a true r-stem. —Aryaman ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 13:53, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@Aryamanarora: True, this Pali word does not seem to reflect a typical r stem. But it does retain the r sound which Sanskrit seems to have lost in both the doublets. Does Pali have stems at all btw? And is the r stem of PIE the same as r stem of Sanskrit? *snéh₁wr̥ would be an instance of a PIE r stem whose typical Sanskrit descendant would be *स्नावर्. So I meant the PIE r stem is preserved in Pali albeit only as a consonant. Pitar & पितृ are r stems for Indo-Aryan but I dont think PIE *ph₂tḗr is an r stem (correct me if I'm wrong). Madhav P. (talk) 14:02, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Oh, also, the position of the long ā also seems a bit problematic. *nāharu would have looked more like it, no? Madhav P. (talk) 14:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@माधवपंडित: [1] It's probably not from *snéh₁wr̥, but some other nominal derivative of *(s)neh₁-. PIE doesn't have "stems" like in Sanskrit really, there a two classes of declension: thematic (having *e or *o added to the stem) and athematic (everything else, including r-stems). These are further subdivided into classes depending on ablaut and the change in accent placement in strong and weak declensional cases. E.g. *snéh₁wr̥ is proterokinetic based on the placement of *e, and athematic because *-wr̥ is added to the stem and does not have *e or *o. I'm a little shaky on the details, since I have no formal Indo-European linguistics education. I'm reading Indo-European Linguistics: An Introduction by James Clackson, which is a great reference. —Aryaman ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 17:02, 26 July 2017 (UTC)