Talk:luntian

Chinese origin

@Mar vin kaiser The old Spanish-Tagalog dictionaries lead this to be a contraction of "halong tiyang" (halong tiang in vocabulario de la lengua tagala). UP Diksiyonaryong Filipino says it's Chinese origin. Do you know Chinese words that can mean green or something similar? I got hypothesize 濃蒼 (lông-chhang, "deep green") but the corresponding Tagalog equivalent would be LUNGSAN. "Ch" would be converted to "s" because this entry exists for 茶 (chhâ) in Vocabulario:

"Cha. Sa. pc. Dahong nang gagaling sa Songsong na iniinum ang tubig na pinag lotoan." Songsong is also listed as a kingdom in China in Vocabulario, most likely to mean the Song Dynasty. Ysrael214 (talk) 01:47, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: Could you explain how you got the connection between "luntian" and "halong tiang"? For the Chinese origin, I honestly don't know. The Chinese word for green, 綠, would sound more like "liok" than "lung" or "lun". --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 14:34, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Halong tiang (halong tiyan) also means green from Vocabulario de la lengua Tagala. The equivalent Kapampangan word for green is "aluntian" (most likely halongtiyan without the /h/ sound), which is also still in current use. From there that there's a similarity and high probability that luntian (also variant lungtian) is short for halungtiyan with the same meaning, and closeness of sound. Also by halungtiyan, maybe it means the color of gastric acid, vomit, or maybe bile? Ysrael214 (talk) 16:45, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Also I found a document that may support my claim

https://www.hkdi.edu.hk/hkdi_gallery/coa/Colours_of_Asia_Research_Report.pdf

Under Philippines: green. Ysrael214 (talk) 16:51, 14 September 2022 (UTC)