Talk:kirkkoväki

About verifying kirkkoväki in the card deck

I cannot give You an exact verification; sorry for that. Despite I can tell about the ethymology. As in Finland people use to go church traditionally early Sunday morning, so they come back already when non-religious people get on road. That is why card players have for a long time invented when playing cards, that if they see open cards in the middle of card deck, where should be seen the back of the cards only, the "coming" cards are called church people. Sincerelly native Finnish speaker, Yours --Höyhens (talk) 18:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Is this used outside of some kind of small group? I have never heard of it, and neither has the internet, it seems. — SURJECTION ^{/ T / C / L /} 21:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I suggest that it is used amongst all card players, which is a lot. Strange, but I cannot find it in internet, either; and not in Finnish dictionary, which confuses me. It is in the Finnish wiktionary, though, but I confess, it is my own text, but nobody has argued that there. --Höyhens (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I've played plenty of 52-card-deck games and have never heard of this term either. — SURJECTION ^{/ T / C / L /} 09:19, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

That sounds peculiar. I notice that You are a native Finnish speaker, too. Could this be within elderly people more in usage, as I am 70 now. --Höyhens (talk) 19:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

That is possible, but I personally suspect more that the term is regional or even highly regional. — SURJECTION ^{/ T / C / L /} 19:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think so. I have lived in different places of Finland; south and north, and the term is familiar everywhere. But if You are young, have e.g. played mostly poker or with foreign mates, then I understand. I suggest that You put marks like "oldish" or "rare" if You like. (Vähä hullua yrittää puhua suomenkieliselle huanolla enkulla, mutku tää on enwikt.. sorry) Thank You for yor mention to understand. --Höyhens (talk) 15:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Not just poker. It's a long family tradition to play games like huutopussi, paskahousu, etc. and still it's not familiar to me at all. I've also tried to search the term in books but I cannot find any. @Hekaheka, who might know this term if it exists. — SURJECTION ^{/ T / C / L /} 16:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

I cannot find it in books either, but I have heard it many times. Hekaheka (talk) 00:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Here's a link to a discussion in which the term kirkkomies is used similarly[1] Hekaheka (talk) 00:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Sure, but the kirkkomies does not be as easily explained by the early return.. well.. why not, indeed.. One of the group has been in the church and is coming back when others just are rising up. It is not so familiar to me than kirkkoväki, however. --Höyhens (talk) 13:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)