Talk:jew

Pejorative

Here's an interesting overview of criticism of dictionaries that include "jew" as a pejorative. It probably won't be a big issue here, but it's interesting to see group labels become either reclaimed and have their negative meanings reduced, or otherwise become abandoned to the euphemism treadmill (see also gay, gyp, retarded). --Interiot 16:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

1.2 is uncommon and niche

"(offensive, transitive) Of Jewish people, to subvert the western world or elements thereof or attempt to do" i have never seen the usage of the word jew in this sense used in the wild. the quotes provided are just obscure usenet posts, and even if we took those quotes for granted the meaning isnt clear. maybe "to jew" in those quotes means to insert jewish people in institutions or countries, or who knows what. the quotes dont mention "the western world" either, and one of the quotes mentions south africa, which is as all former british african colonies not usually considered a part of "the west". 2803:9800:9504:7B33:4B6C:CC1A:D8EF:BD67 21:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree the definition seems ... inventive, compared to what the citations actually seem to mean, which as you say, seems to amount to "make Jewish, insert Jews or Jewishness into". I've changed the definition and added some more cites (some of which also seem more neutral in tone). One can find be-Jew in the same semantic vein, and de-Jew and un-Jew for the opposite (cites). - -sche (discuss) 21:13, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

BTW, at various times we had another definition here, which got moved to jew down, but I can find examples without down:

• 1891, Overland Monthly, page 253:

  “He jewed me out of a dime on yesterday's meat; he is no fool, not he.”

• 2003, Kill Bill (quoted in The New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English; it's a spoken example so it's unclear if the canonical spelling is jew or Jew):

  I don't dodge guilt. And I don't Jew outta payin' me comeuppance.

• 2013 September 2, Charlotte R. Mendel, Turn Us Again, Fernwood Publishing, →ISBN:

  Troy waved his fist in the air, “That canteen guy jewed me! He probably does it all the time.” It was the first time I'd ever heard the expression. It gave me a slight shock. “What did you say? He what you?” “He jewed me, man.”

- -sche (discuss) 21:23, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Definition Jew. Steriotype antisemitism

References to hagglers etc. Being jewed all such references are anti Semitic. Remove 2607:9880:1950:AE:45CC:B8AA:1F48:49D8 21:43, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Antisemitism

Please remove this antisemitic nonsense. Google has apologized and removed it, please do the same. 2600:4040:900D:6D00:E919:37EA:982D:371E 23:10, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Do you understand what a descriptive dictionary is? DCDuring (talk) 23:12, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

White supremacist quotations

Under the Verb – jew (“to make (more) Jewish”), The following “quotation” is used as reference

2004 June 20, Victor, “The Ten Truths: On Jewish Lawyers & the Jewing of Law”, in alt.california, Usenet‎[1]:
Nevertheless, decisions used to be rendered based on long-honored
White traditions or "precedent," and supported by reason and logic. In
today's jewed system, by contrast, one is more apt to read a legal
opinion which cites U.N. resolutions or jewish sociologists than
Black's Law Dictionary.

The quotation above references a link to a white supremacist usenet article that advocates killing Jewish people.

The usenet article on Jewish Lawyers ends with:

“Shakespeare famously said, "first kill all the lawyers." I think I
would amend that slightly and say "kill all the jewish lawyers!" No
Jews. Just right! is a slogan particularly appropriate for the legal
profession. Who knows? If we first got rid of all the jewish lawyers,
maybe we wouldn't have to kill any more jews!”

By allowing such quotations, Wiktionary is serving as an amplifier for vile hate speech and is complicit in the resulting harm caused by such speech. 2600:4040:A007:C600:548E:3153:ECCF:B83A 06:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

White supremacist quotations - #2

Under the Verb – jew (“to make (more) Jewish”), The following “quotation” is used as reference:

2004 December 21, Will McDonald, “The Jewing of Christmas”, in alt.california, Usenet‎[2]:
It is jews behind the campaign to destroy it, admits WND[sic] house jew.
Just as we WN[sic] have said all along.

The quotation above references a link to a white supremacist usenet article that in turn links to https://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/.

The Vanguard News Network titles its newsletter with the phrase “No Jews. Just Right.” The newsletter is full of anti-Semitic, racist content.

By allowing such quotations, Wiktionary is serving as an amplifier for vile hate speech and is complicit in the resulting harm caused by such speech. 2600:4040:A007:C600:548E:3153:ECCF:B83A 06:31, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

I suppose we could move these citations to the Citations: page, although using offensive quotes from racists to show how an offensive racist sense is used seems...more illustrative than using non-offensive non-racist quotations that might suggest the sense was mostly used neutrally...? - -sche (discuss) 18:11, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

2600:4040:, if you can "do the work" and find more palatable citations that use the word in the correct sense, we may use those instead. Equinox ◑ 18:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

There are already 3 quotations defining the verb tenses that are not derived from white supremacist blogs. Do you really need additional quotations from neo-Nazis? How many racist quotations are enough before Wiktionary becomes a promoter of racism. 2600:4040:A007:C600:8171:CEA6:B2DF:76FE 03:59, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

'd you

(Re diff.) I've so far mainly found this when the whole preceding word is included, e.g. google books:"didjew", google books:"woodjew". Many of the hits for google books:"whatjew" are what['re] you rather than what'd you, and even with google books:"what jew say" it's hard to tell if what'd you say or what d'you say is meant, although references confirm it's sometimes what'd you:

• 2021 June 22, Michael B. Montgomery, Jennifer K. N. Heinmiller, Dictionary of Southern Appalachian English, UNC Press Books, →ISBN:

  1952 Wilson Folk Speech NC 533 do what? = used in asking one to repeat what he said = "What did you say?" [...] 2005 Williams Gratitude 490 Do what? = an answer meaning, “repeat that,” given when the question is not understood or is beyond belief. Same as: “Huh?”; “Come agin!”; “What jew say?”; “Shot who?”; “Run that by me one more time.”

- -sche (discuss) 22:08, 28 December 2022 (UTC)