Talk:ishiki

RFV discussion

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I gather the basis for listing romaji here is that they are actually used, but I'm not sure that's the case here. A cursory look at Gbooks and Ggroups didn't turn up much. -- Visviva 08:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I assume you're not disputing the existence of 意識 but rather whether Wiktionary should include romaji entries. The policy has roughly been that romaji entries (ishiki) are assumed to pass based on the existence of the normal form (意識). Cynewulf 19:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

As for verifying this particular entry, looking through the gbc hits I get lots of transcribed article titles from bibliographies, in addition to things like a parallel-text transcription and mentions in English works. I can probably dig out 3 or so cites that aren't obvious mentions. For what it's worth, I've never seen a whole book written only in kana or romaji, but then I don't go looking for children's books. Cynewulf 19:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess my question would be "are romaji such as this ever used as a medium for actually writing (vs. transcribing, transliterating, etc.) Japanese?" My impression had been that this is not the case, which makes the verifiability of these entries somewhat dubious (see also curent discussion at WT:BP#CFI for romanizations/transliterations)... Taking another tack, is it possible that "ishiki" might meet CFI as an English word, perhaps a technical term in Japanese studies or what have you? -- Visviva 05:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Romaji is/are used a lot in email and discussions and so forth; as Cynewulf notes you usually do not see books in romaji. This is one of the cases in which google makes life difficult; there are a lot of domains and proper names with "Ishiki" Robert Ullmann 23:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

RFV passed, even though uncited, because it's standard but uncodified practice here to include romaji entries for attested Japanese words. —Ruakh_TALK 18:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)