Talk:gone

Pronunciation

On the pronunciation of "gone", the dictionaries I have with me all indicate the "short o" sound in gone. But here in Australia we always use a longer sound but with the same vowel quality. In my accent/dialect, "gone" and "con" do not rhyme. In SAMPA I would illustrate thus: con: "kQn", gone: "gQ:n"

Can anybody comment on their own accent/dialect please? Hippietrail 11:57, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

@Hippietrail Sorry for the fifteen year wait. In my dialect (a New England English dialect without the cot-caught merger, but also without the mergers present in Western New England English dialects {I don't speak a Western New England English dialect}), gone is pronounced with the /ɔ/ vowel (as a result of the lot-cloth split), but it seems that in some dialects here in the Northeastern United States, the pronunciation /ɡɒn/ was traditionally used, as in England. This changed into /gɑn/ in New York City: a pronunciation that can still sometimes be heard there. Complicating all of this is the cot-caught merger present in some parts of North America, which has made it not always possible to discern (in those areas) if their /gɑn/ pronunciation came from /ɡɒn/, or was a later shift from /gɔn/.

Regarding Australian English, I have to wonder if the lot-cloth split (which, of course, originally was a sound change involving a lengthening of /ɒ/ to /ɒː/ before voiceless fricatives. That /ɒː/ later shifted to /ɔ[ː]/ in some dialects, such as most North American English dialects.) had an impact on gone in Australian English like it did on gone in much of North American English... Hmm... Tharthan (talk) 23:28, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Lucky I check here for replies every day! (-: Lot and cloth have the same vowel always in Australian English as far as I'm aware so I don't think we have that split, but I'm sure some of the same factors are involved. In AusE there can be up to three short/long vowels pairs I believe and I personally have all of them. "Head" vs "haired", but "bed" actually has the latter, long version. "Bad" and "mad" are long but all other words in -ad are short. I can't think of another besides "gone" that has the long version of that o. Note that all these are more idiosyncratic than regional in Australia. You can't necessarily pick where somebody is from based on which of these pairs they split. It's definitely interesting! — hippietrail (talk) 02:39, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

"Head" vs. "haired", and "bed" vs. "bared", are exact rhyme pairs in my Australian English (almost 72 years' worth of it, mostly from the three south-eastern states). But is the difference in length solely because we have non-rhotic accents - maybe a way to compensate for the loss of the "r"? Also, "glad" has the long vowel, rhyming with "bad" and "mad", as does "sad". And don't "belong" and "long" rhyme with "gone", all with a long vowel? (But if you have hit "the hippie trail", maybe you are "long gone"!) yoyo (talk) 03:59, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Tea room discussion

Note: the below discussion was moved from the Wiktionary:Tea room.

There's a fair chunk missing from this entry. Like an adjective part for a start. --Jackofclubs 14:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I added the adjective and preposition, but better somebody check it after me. --Duncan MacCall 15:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not seeing the difference between these two senses:

1. No longer existing.

   The days of my youth are gone.

2. Used up.

   I'm afraid all the coffee's gone at the moment.

—msh210℠ 20:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

In the first sense the thing has finished or passed with time, without anybody's action, while in the second sense somebody must have done something to make the thing "gone". --Duncan MacCall 22:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

uneasy

giving a sensation of giddiness or mild nausea 

Can somebody confirm this meaning? --Backinstadiums (talk) 19:21, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Similar to weak and faint?: a gone feeling, a feeling of goneness. JMGN (talk) 20:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

How to add another sense: a noun, with a different etymology

Another sense of "gone" is as a noun, used in biology, with a different etymology (and probably pronunciation, to rhyme with "go", or with the first syllable of "gonad") - but where do I add it?

From <https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1001&context=onlinedictinvertzoology Online Dictionary of Invertebrate Zoology>, page 418:

gone n. [Gr. gone, that which produces seed] Any germ cell arising by meiosis.

Used in this sense in the following paper, available online: <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/evo.14306 Three sex phenotypes in a haploid algal species give insights into the evolutionary transition to a self-compatible mating system, Takahashi et al (2021)>

2001:8003:4010:D000:4584:F555:A6A9:27A4 03:03, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

I posted the above question here a few minutes ago, before I found my password ;-). yoyo (talk) 03:10, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Also posted to the Tea Room today. yoyo (talk) 04:02, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

RFD discussion: December 2021

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We should surely delete the noun sense of gone, as it’s our policy to not include adjectives as nouns without good reason, for example meek isn’t considered to be a noun because of the fact that the meek can mean meek people. Even sick doesn’t have the sense of sick people included among its other noun senses. Overlordnat1 (talk)|19:16, 15 December 2021

Delete, not a noun. The quotation can be moved to the adjective, sense 4, "Dead". DonnanZ (talk) 10:24, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Delete. Fay Freak (talk) 04:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleted per Talk:sick#RFD_discussion:_September–December_2020, which dealt with these words as a class. - -sche (discuss) 21:34, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

RFD-deleted --Fytcha (talk) 00:13, 30 December 2021 (UTC)