Talk:gobby

Why is this slang term defined as talkative and critical when it's defined as fat in the few dictionaries it can be found in ( http://onelook.com/?w=gobby&ls=a

http://dictionary.infoplease.com/gobby

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gobby?r=66 )??? 65.31.103.28 18:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I've lived in the UK since birth and I have often heard the word gobby to mean overly talkative / shooting one's mouth off, etc., and never to mean fat. After all, gob is slang for mouth. But please see the RFV for this word. Equinox ◑ 17:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

That's because the definition states it as being used in Midland and southern U.S. to imply fat. I managed to find one dictionary in which it goes into Slang usages in the UK and there it can be used to connote mouthy and offensively outspoken as shown here http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/g.htm so apparently it's being used in different ways between the USA and the UK. Regardless, the blowjob and lumps material the user has added is pure nonsense and it's seems to be vandalism. 65.31.103.28 17:32, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I found an example of the blowjob sense. See the RFV discussion. I don't think it's in common enough use to survive RFV, though, so it is likely to be removed in the future. Equinox ◑ 17:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

See citations:gobby.​—msh210℠ 16:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll be staggered if it survives myself. May want to look into what country and parts of the world it is used in if it manages to survive as well because apparently the word is used different between your country and mine. I didn't think to look up a different country's slang until you had said what you did. 65.31.103.28 17:51, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

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Rfv-sense: obese.​—msh210℠ 18:52, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Just so we're all clear here, I added the definition based upon the following: [1] [2] [3] . Above user reverted my removal based upon the context in which he saw it used in a google search, providing this as example [4] in which it's even shown to mean fat a few times so I don't know why any verification for this definition is necessary when I've even provided the above definitions on the term's talkpage. I do however think it's necessary for verification on the term as meaning loud and critical, as according to his reversion here[5]. From the examples the user provided in his google search, only one seemed to imply obnoxious in speech at best. The rest of the examples were just unclear and didn't directly imply that in my view and neither did any of the dictionary definitions. 65.31.103.28 19:23, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't see where among those Google hits it's "shown to mean fat a few times", or once. All those whose meaning is clear (to me) mean "talkative", or possibly "talkative and critical". Here's one hit possibly (unclearly (to me)) in the rfv'ed sense, though: [6].​—msh210℠ 19:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Incidentally, based on [7], [8], [9], inter alia, I'm adding a sense "full of gobs".​—msh210℠ 19:38, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Example one relates to food and eating; example two seems to imply to a sharp retort; example three seems to imply a willingness to tell the truth; example four implies to an inability to keep a secret; example five it says is not suffering fools gladly (which means not tolerating stupidity in others) which I suppose could imply the critical portion of your definition if you make a bit of a stretch; example six implies competitiveness, mentioning two people having to get somewhere first; example seven implies offensive in speech without specifying much else; example eight speaks on fatness and roundness.

Again, I'm not sure why obese needs to be verified. If anything, frequently being loudly critical ought to be verified as these examples don't seem to be consistent enough to support that definition. Just my opinion! 65.31.103.28 20:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Just to comment on "example one", which, assuming you see the same Google hits I do, is [10]: This uses the word (in quotation marks indicating that the writer knows its not a proper word) to mean "full of gobs", the sense I've recently added (as noted above). Nothing to do with obesity. "Obese" needs to be verified per the "attestation" requirement of WT:CFI, q.v. The definition "frequently and loudly criticising other people" may need fixing, yes, though gobby certainly means something like that: I think "talking overly much" might be a better definition, per the citations.​—msh210℠ 20:30, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and re the eighth example, which you say "speaks on fatness and roundness": If your eighth is my eighth, it's one of the ones I can't see more than a snippet of, and that snippet reads only "beer every once in a while, every couple of weeks or so. Sankey is very gobby.¶[Due to an argument at Christmas, two weeks before the incident] every time I saw him he would just stare at me, blank me out or play" (brackets in original). I have no idea what it means there. Can you (or anyone) see more of it?​—msh210℠ 20:33, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Msh210, I'm a little unsure of why you added a second definition to gobby of "marked by the presence of gobs" (as shown here [11]) The 2 definitions you've added are based on weak evidence. As I've highlighted above, this Google search result you provided are using the word in a whole different assortment of ways all across the board. As for Example 8, it speaks of drinking beer and then goes into gobby. That hardly connotes talkative. Example 9 speaks of fatness and roundness while speaking about gobby. That hardly connotes talkative. All dictionaries suggest obese and nothing about full of gobs or talkative. Besides, your reversion of my edit removal of frequently and loudly criticising other people is not supported by your arguments for talkative as the definition of gobby. [12] [13] 65.31.103.28 08:48, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Re "unsure of why you added a second definition to gobby of 'marked by the presence of gobs'", please see what I wrote above. While you're correct that "talkative" may be a better definition than "frequently and loudly criticising other people", there is certainly some sense like that, so I reverted your unilateral removal thereof. As always, cites rule, and I see you've {{rfv-sense}}d the remaining senses, so I suppose cites will rule for those, too. I suggest you get cracking on the "obese" sense if you have any interest in its remaining (which you seem to), as you now have ~4 weeks to cite it.  :-) ​—msh210℠ 16:30, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and btw, re "[t]he 2 definitions [I]'ve added", actually, I only added the "presence of gobs" one. The loquacity one was added by Paul G when he created the entry.​—msh210℠ 17:50, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the noun sense ("blowjob") I found this on the Steam Community forums: "if i was friends with crucial irl i would give him a gobby." (Crucial is someone's user name.) But I don't believe it is attestable. Equinox ◑ 17:16, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Another one from the Web: "Hey Pinto, yeah I saw that sthlut^[sic] at Motel. She gave me a gobby in the car park." Equinox ◑ 17:45, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

As according to this slang dictionary http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/g.htm the term can apply to offensively outspoken/shooting one's mouth off as a slang usage in the UK; however, in the USA it connotes obesity and fatness. I'm guessing because it was foreign slang used in another country it wasn't coming up. I thought this was the English Wiktionary as opposed to the Slang/UK Wiktionary. I suppose both terms can be added as long as they state the location in which they're both used. As for this other nonsense about blowjobs and lumps, Msh210 clearly went a little nuts with these definitions. They look like blatant vandalism. 65.31.103.28 17:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism? Hardly. Just because you never heard of the term used in this way doesn't mean other English speaking regions don't use it. Gobby in the sense of fellatio is heard among the less 'educated' individuals in Australia. It's definitely not uncommon. It's probably a diminutive form of the slang word 'gobble' meaning 'mouth'. Thanks Jamesjiao → ^{T ◊ C} 12:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The blowjob definition was added only once I found three citations for it. See citations:gobby. It's now been {{rfv-sense}}d (unnecessarily, due to those cites).​—msh210℠ 16:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous, I've found two citations (see citations:gobby) for a sense meaning "obese" or possibly "overeating": it's hard to tell which. (That is, the citations seem to be using the word to mean "overeating", but "obese" is a reasonable alternative explanation, and since you say other dictionaries define it that way, that may well be what the sources mean by the word.) So if spend effort on finding one more citation instead of on getting all gobby about the fact that the sense was {{rfv}}ed in the first place, and you find one, the sense will remain, and you'll have nothing to complain about. (Assuming, of course, that it doesn't actually bother you that other senses remain also. That may be a bad assumption, of course.)​—msh210℠ 16:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and can someone help with splitting up the speech-related senses appropriately, please? See citations:gobby.​—msh210℠ 16:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I can attest to the usage of "gobby" in the sense of fellatio(blowjob) by many Australian teenagers, and thus I believe it is in fairly common usage. If you go to http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gobby I think you will find a large consensus on the meaning of the term. --Anthonzi 05:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

And when can we get rid of the RV tags for this sense? I think IP:65.31.103.28 had already been thoroughly debunked before I came on the scene.--Anthonzi 06:08, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I've detagged the "criticizing" definition, added a "talkative" one, and detagged the fellatio defintion, all per cites. I'm still not happy with the split in the talking-related senses: it still needs attention (please!). I've for now not removed the "obese" definition, as it has two cites, but perhaps it should go.​—msh210℠ 16:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm seriously not understanding something here. We have a sense de-tagged defined as "Frequently and loudly criticising other people; inclined to shoot one's mouth off" with three citations underneath it, but none of those citations really seem to support that sense. On the contrary, the first one uses it in the phrase "the gobby cow", which really makes it seem that it means "fat" (though I can't track down the source using Google, so the only context I have is what's in the entry), and the third one uses it in the phrase "you gobby bastard", not long after "you fat bastard" by the same thinker directed at the same target. The second one doesn't say enough for me to be able to tell one way or the other, but from the context I can trick Snippet View into showing me, Tyrone doesn't seem critical at all — talkative probably, but not critical. —Ruakh_TALK 01:06, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I have to disagree, the talkative sense is in clear widespread use, "tending to shoot one's mouth off", well that's the same sense just used pejoratively. And the one cite we have for 'obese' doesn't help IMO. It seems to be clearly pejorative but it isn't clear beyond that; I'd instantly interpret this as 'talking a lot' It's really common in the UK. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I said a lot of things — which one(s) are you disagreeing with? —Ruakh_TALK 18:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

The citation for gobby (obese). Having said that, looking at the citations pages there are too citations which back this up more clearly. Still, the one on the page itself (to me at least) is more ambiguous. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

The meaning "blowjob" is cited. Right? I have added references to the entry. It appears to concern homographs with somewhat different etymologies. - -sche 21:16, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I have found a third quotation that uses the word in the sense of "fat". It is uncommon, even rare. - -sche 19:29, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I find many quotations, including two of the "gobby fat" quotations and many of the quotations supposed to mean "talkative", where the word could also be only a generic filler or intensifier (like "super" or "bloody" in "and got super drunk" or "he's a bloody fat bastard") or else is totally unclear. I suggest, either we move the quotations and reference for the meaning "fat" to the citations page and delete the sense as unattested, or we trust the reference (Dictionary.com) and keep the sense. I suggest also, either we find better quotations for "Frequently and loudly criticising other people; inclined to shoot one's mouth off" (because I agree with Ruakh, they are deficient) or we delete that meaning and keep only "Talkative". - -sche 01:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Done. - -sche (discuss) 04:16, 5 April 2011 (UTC)