Talk:eutheism

Usage in newer religious movements

Anastasia's sayings indicate that she is also an Eutheist.

She speaks of an all Good God in her stories she tells Vladimir Megre.

People have created a religious movement based on her views, in which they returned to nature, as nature is part of God.

She believes God's greatest creation is nature itself. Because of this reason she also speaks of the kind lord that wishes us nothing bad and wants to take care of us only by pure love.

The Ringing Cedars' Anastasianism was created and it has a base on her own sayings. ^[1]

If Anastasia's sayings don't include the word "eutheism", they don't belong in a dictionary entry for the word "eutheism". Also, this is a dictionary. Dictionaries don't have rambling essays on marginally-related topics. This is like trying to sell cement, lumber and assorted power tools in a china shop, then complaining that the owners hate the construction industry when they tell you to leave... Chuck Entz (talk) 04:30, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Since this was added by DCDuring, who filed the RfV on the word, I think he is storing a citation here, rather than making an argument. bd2412 T 20:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

I didn't notice that, but I would have needed to post something like this anyway just to get the message across. The person who added the content had no clue why their edits were so bad, and decided that we were reverting because we were evil. They resorted to all kinds of dirty tricks with sock puppets and proxies, which are useless when there's only one page that everyone's watching. They also went completely off into the weeds with threats that they would incite vandalism from other sites and sue everyone. The name of one of their "message" sock puppet accounts was apparently so far beyond the pale that all of its edits got oversighted by a steward or someone from WMF and all traces of it disappeared from the logs. They even left an odd message in Serbo-Croatian on Ivan Stambuk's page to try to get him to intervene (he didn't). All of it unpleasant, pointless, and massively counterproductive. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

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eutheism

Plausible, but not in other OneLook dictionaries. DCDuring (talk) 18:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Here are some citations:

• 2019, Cometan, The Duodoxy: The Principles of The Logical Cosmos, p. 254:

  Dystheism revolves around “the belief that a god, goddess, or singular God is not wholly good (eutheism) as is commonly believed (such as in the monotheistic religions of Christianity and Judaism), and is possibly evil.”

• 2013, David H. Schraub, "Our Divine Constitution", 44 Loyola University Chicago Law Journal 1201 (2013)

  Protest theology rejects the often axiomatic assumption that God is always good or just (eutheism). More to the point, it holds that the eutheistic outlook not only stunts our ability to have a true, meaningful relationship with God, but that the theological contortions it demands also cause us to miss several important themes and lessons latent in the Hebrew Bible.

• 2011, Alan Dawe, The God Franchise: A Theory of Everything, p. 93:

  To put some words to it, eutheism is the belief that a deity is wholly benevolent, while dystheism allows for there to be evil in the realm of the gods.

I would think this should also count, as "eutheists" can not exist without "eutheism":

• 2010, Bernard Schweizer, "Hating God", The Chronicle of Higher Education:

  Monotheists, after all, are conditioned to be eutheists; that is, they cannot think of God as being anything other than benevolent.

There are also a handful of Google Groups hits. bd2412 T 18:32, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

If we were a dictionary of concepts then such cites of eutheist, eutheistic et al would all be good attestation of the concept. I've inserted two cites (including Schraub 2013 and one Usenet cite) in the entry. I'd also put Schweitzer at Citations:eutheist. Neither Dawe 2011 nor Cometan 2019 appeared in by Books search. Cometan seems flaky, but Dawe seems mentiony. Mentiony is worse IMO. DCDuring (talk) 18:42, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Here's a trick I have discovered for Google Books searches - sometimes words that don't show up when you search for just the word do show up when you search for something like "word is". bd2412 T 18:47, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@Kiwima I didn't think Google was trying to trick users, at least not in this particular regard, but rather that either their software was defective or that they throttle back searches for heavy users. I didn't think I was too heavy a user, but their threshold may not be all that high. DCDuring (talk) 13:20, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@DCDuring: Why did you ping me? Did you mean @bd2412 ? Kiwima (talk) 20:20, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps "glitch" would have been a better word than "trick". I have also found this with other words that I have searched for. bd2412 T 20:42, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@Kiwima. I was wondering whether you had any suspicion that Google was limiting your searches on Books, you probably being one of its heavy users here. I certainly have had Kaptcha interruptions in the course of my searches and often seem to miss hits that others get. DCDuring (talk) 02:51, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Google Books filters / alters / personalizes searches / whatever you want to call it. It's not just a suspicion, they've publicized this. DTLHS (talk) 02:57, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I wish I could search Books without so much duplicate content and with a search engine that allowed for searches that were replicable across users. But what can we expect from a service we don't pay for? DCDuring (talk) 03:08, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I found a third cite, oddly enough:

• 2015, Malcolm Lowry, The 1940 Under the Volcano: A Critical Edition, p. 17.

  I don't even consider that intelligence confused which denies, like Hawthorne's Ethan Brand, the knowledge of the kinship of man for man, and the eutheism of its application.

Google Books did not initially turn this one up, because the word is immediately followed by a footnote in the text, so the scan thinks it says "eutheism106". bd2412 T 04:25, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 20:12, 7 July 2019 (UTC)