Talk:downloadable content
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Content that's downloadable. Glossed as video games, obviously that's not true as any content that's downloadable can be called downloadable content. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. DCDuring TALK 10:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Moreover, any content that's downloadable is called downloadable content, if not as often as game-related content is. Delete.—msh210℠ 16:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. SoP. ---> Tooironic 21:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. This is what it's called. No one talks about purchasable content or undownloadable content, but this by contrast is the ususal English term. It is often abbreviated to DLC. It is calling out for good translations. See also w:downloadable content. Ƿidsiþ 12:59, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
- I appreciate your effort in rewriting it, but it's still SoP to me, just SoP with a new wording. Sorry. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:03, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
- Being sum of parts has nothing to do with being idiomatic, as I've tried to explain thousands of times. Lots of idiomatic phrases are sum of parts (fried egg, Egyptian pyramid -- the second one of those isn't even idiomatic IMO). If you have looked downloadable content up you'll see that it's used absolutely as a set term, and some quick checks show that it's numerically more common that phrases like "content that!which can be downloaded" or "extra content". Its being seen as a single noun is strongly suggested by the existence of the initialism DLC and by the Wikipedia article on the subject. It may not be difficult to work out what it means, but that doesn't stop it being a noun used extensively in newspapers and magazines which we need to translate and give all the other usual info about. Ƿidsiþ 07:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
- What nonsense. An idiom is a set phrase which a) cannot be deduced from its parts and b) has an extended meaning beyond its literal components. This is not the case with this entry. Thus, delete. ---> Tooironic 03:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
- What makes you think so? I quote the OED: "A form of expression, grammatical construction, phrase, etc., peculiar to a language; a peculiarity of phraseology approved by the usage of a language, and often having a signification other than its grammatical or logical one." "Downloadable content" is absolutely the expression "peculiar to English" and "approved by usage" – it is the one and only natural way of describing this stuff. Ƿidsiþ 07:17, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
- Not idiomatic either. I bet uploadable content is easily attestable. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:30, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
- It may be easily attestable, but it isn't a common phrase in the way that DLC is. "uploadable content" only gets 2,600 google hits, whereas "downloadable content" has over 1.5 million. Ƿidsiþ 12:54, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- Not idiomatic either. I bet uploadable content is easily attestable. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:30, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
- What makes you think so? I quote the OED: "A form of expression, grammatical construction, phrase, etc., peculiar to a language; a peculiarity of phraseology approved by the usage of a language, and often having a signification other than its grammatical or logical one." "Downloadable content" is absolutely the expression "peculiar to English" and "approved by usage" – it is the one and only natural way of describing this stuff. Ƿidsiþ 07:17, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
- What nonsense. An idiom is a set phrase which a) cannot be deduced from its parts and b) has an extended meaning beyond its literal components. This is not the case with this entry. Thus, delete. ---> Tooironic 03:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
- Being sum of parts has nothing to do with being idiomatic, as I've tried to explain thousands of times. Lots of idiomatic phrases are sum of parts (fried egg, Egyptian pyramid -- the second one of those isn't even idiomatic IMO). If you have looked downloadable content up you'll see that it's used absolutely as a set term, and some quick checks show that it's numerically more common that phrases like "content that!which can be downloaded" or "extra content". Its being seen as a single noun is strongly suggested by the existence of the initialism DLC and by the Wikipedia article on the subject. It may not be difficult to work out what it means, but that doesn't stop it being a noun used extensively in newspapers and magazines which we need to translate and give all the other usual info about. Ƿidsiþ 07:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
- I appreciate your effort in rewriting it, but it's still SoP to me, just SoP with a new wording. Sorry. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:03, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
- I favour a keep. It's a set phrase that doesn't just refer to any 'content' that is downloadable. It has a much narrower signification. In general, Downloadable quite often refers to free programs or add-ons that you can find on the Internet, but not in this case. Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 11:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Delete So it's a cliché phrase that we can attribute to convention or lack of creativity in video-game writing. But no special meaning in the context of video games, and doesn't imply this context outside of it. Not idiomatic. If there's anything notable here, it's only that meaning-free meaning of content as used by computer coders to mean “everything else,” and nothing inherent in this phrase. —Michael Z. 2010-04-15 20:30 z
- But "cliche phrases that we attribute to convention" are exactly what dictionaries should record. I am running out of ways to explain this, because I just don't understand how anyone who has looked at the usage of this phrase can think it should be deleted. There is a specific concept in videogames which is discussed ad infinitum in the relevant magazines and message boards, and that concept has one and one name only: downloadable content, or DLC for short. To me that makes it absolutely idiomatic English. There is endless evidence of its use as a set phrase: [1], [2]... oh do your own searches. I bet you 500 quid this is straight in the OED when the current revisions reach D. Oh, and also note that the phrase is used piecemeal in other languages. Ƿidsiþ 13:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Deleted.—msh210℠ 18:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)