Talk:choose violence

Enough

@WordyAndNerdy I added five unambiguous citations and a reference supporting the sense. You just removed four of them for no apparent reason and now you have the audacity to claim that they're "insufficient"? Replacing the definition and etymology section and removing a quotation is obviously more than "cleaning up" the entry. Also, your references are pointless because they say nothing about the idiomatic phrase "choose violence", and even if they did there's no reason to remove the KYM link which contains a significant amount of information that we haven't covered. Also, there's no rule prohibiting block quotes in etymology sections. I have no interest in edit warring so I ask you to please put the entry back to how it was. Ioaxxere (talk) 18:16, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. I didn't see the newly-added cites and jumped the gun. Some points:

1. Etymology sections do not typically include big blockquotes. Visual clutter creates confusion as to where one section ends and another begins. Readers rely on consistency in formatting to be able to easily locate and parse information in entries. That's why I feel it's important for entries to generally follow a uniform standard of formatting. If it's important for the full quote to be presented, then it can be rendered as prose text rather than a blockquote.
2. Only the definition and its supporting cites need to be idiomatic. The quote that inspired the definition doesn't need to be idiomatic in its original fictional context. It can be perfectly literal. Compare kill it with fire, I volunteer as tribute, ten points to Gryffindor, etc. People do not need to be literally choosing to carry out violence like Cersei when they quote her, any more than people need to be volunteering for the Hunger Games when they say "I volunteer as tribute."
3. The earlier GOT quote very likely influenced the Banks tweet. But treating the two definitions as two separate coinages might be an ideal resolution. I suggest splitting off I choose violence from choose violence/wake up and choose violence. I'll dig up another cite for I choose violence.

WordyAndNerdy (talk) 18:46, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ioaxxere - The split has been completed. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Wish I could attest it is known. I somehow found print cites for R+L=J. But Google is asking me to identify vans and street lights due to all the advanced searches I've been doing and so it's probably time to log off. WordyAndNerdy (talk) 19:27, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for putting everything back. And wow, you really have been editing for 10 hours straight (23 more and you'll beat User:J3133). As for the block quotes thing I don't see how a single vertical line could be visual clutter but I'll leave your entry alone. Ioaxxere (talk) 19:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ioaxxere An option that hadn't occurred to me before was recently implemented by J3133 at dracarys: putting a quote in a reference so it's accessible but doesn't take up real estate in the entry proper. WordyAndNerdy (talk) 18:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)