Talk:chierte
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This entry was tagged for cleanup with the message "Chaucer and Mallory are Middle English (enm), not English (en); the quote looks fake (modernised and not real, original)". I can't find the Mallory quote provided. OED has nothing for this spelling, whether Middle or Modern. MED notes that this spelling exists but doesn't appear to offer any supporting quotes. So consider this an RFV for English and Middle English at once, if you will. This, that and the other (talk) 03:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @This, that and the other: (also here) 1470–1483 (date produced), Thom̃s Malleorre [i.e., Thomas Malory], “[Sankgreal]”, in Le Morte Darthur (British Library Additional Manuscript 59678), [England: s.n.], folio 353, verso, lines 16–18:
- Whan the quene ladyes / ⁊ jantill women knew of thys tydyngꝭ they had ſuch ſorow and hevynes that þ̃ myght no tunge for þo knyghtꝭ had holde them in honõre and charite
1470–1485 (date produced), Thomas Malory, “Capitulum Octauum”, in [Le Morte Darthur], book XIII, [London: […] by William Caxton], published 31 July 1485, →OCLC, leaf 311, recto; republished as H[einrich] Oskar Sommer, editor, Le Morte Darthur […], London: David Nutt, […], 1889, →OCLC, page 621:J3133 (talk) 15:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)- Whanne the Quene ladyes & 20 gentilwymmen wyſt theſe tydynges / they had ſuche ſorowe & heuyneſſe that ther myght no tonge telle hit / for tho knyghtes had hold them in honour and chyerte
- @This, that and the other: See the MED entry. J3133 (talk) 12:59, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for that! It's terribly confusing; MED also lists chierte as an alternative form at their entry for "charite", which is what I was looking at.
- From the MED link I've learnt that the OED lemmatises this word at "cherte | chertee" (obviously), but there is only 1 post-1500 cite (although it is from as late as 1614).
- Chaucer apparently also used this word in Wife of Bath's Prologue, with no more certainty about its spelling: "He Wende þat I hadde of hym so greet chiertee [v.r. chierte, cherte].".
- Anyway, I'm satisfied with the ME now - I suppose we leave the modern English lemma to wait out its 30 days. This, that and the other (talk) 21:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
RFV-failed for modern English This, that and the other (talk) 12:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)