Talk:cancel culture
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This has the hot-word template. It has no citations at all. WP and Wiktionary are the only OneLook references that cover the term or phenomenon. There is a book that has the term in its title, but has no visibility for its content at Google Books. I'm sure the term is mentioned in durably archived sources. It probably is used as well, but I don't know. DCDuring (talk) 23:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- I've added two cites, but they point in two directions. One is about boycotting, the other is about cancelling an invitation to speak. I haven't been following this enough to understand whether both really fit under that same definition. DCDuring (talk) 23:58, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- It is now cited (as a hotword). We will need to wait a year to see if it survives. Kiwima (talk) 23:59, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- The four cites already span more than a year. I suppose we could exclude as mention those in quotation marks (Rockson and Fraser) or with explicit definitions mentions) or the last as ambiguous, but then it wouldn't be cited at all.
- Are these all uses for the same definition as currently worded.DCDuring (talk) 04:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- You have a point - the definition could use a bit of cleanup. Want to take a crack at it? Kiwima (talk) 21:20, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- There's also a Tea Room discussion on this. The term is pejorative, like politically correct, so the definitions offered are by critics of the phenomena under discussion. DCDuring (talk) 04:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- Should we try to mention that in some way beyond the "pejorative"/"derogatory" label, that the term is mostly used by critics (and therefore may ascribe varied, nebulous, and/or inaccurate attributes)? - -sche (discuss) 17:31, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm more inclined to add that in as a usage note. Words and phrases like this can move in and out of being pejorative, often depending on who uses them. A good example is politically correct, which you mention. It started out as a vaguely self-mocking term used by the left, was adopted by the right as a strongly pejorative term, and is now either pejorative or humorous or slightly ironic, depending on who is talking. Kiwima (talk) 19:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, to clarify, I was envisioning any clarification longer than the current label would go in a usage note. - -sche (discuss) 07:57, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm more inclined to add that in as a usage note. Words and phrases like this can move in and out of being pejorative, often depending on who uses them. A good example is politically correct, which you mention. It started out as a vaguely self-mocking term used by the left, was adopted by the right as a strongly pejorative term, and is now either pejorative or humorous or slightly ironic, depending on who is talking. Kiwima (talk) 19:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- Should we try to mention that in some way beyond the "pejorative"/"derogatory" label, that the term is mostly used by critics (and therefore may ascribe varied, nebulous, and/or inaccurate attributes)? - -sche (discuss) 17:31, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- There's also a Tea Room discussion on this. The term is pejorative, like politically correct, so the definitions offered are by critics of the phenomena under discussion. DCDuring (talk) 04:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- You have a point - the definition could use a bit of cleanup. Want to take a crack at it? Kiwima (talk) 21:20, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- It is now cited (as a hotword). We will need to wait a year to see if it survives. Kiwima (talk) 23:59, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 18:37, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Usage note removed: cancel culture vs. callout culture
[edit]Copied from User talk:Vox Sciurorum
You've added usage notes suggesting that these are near-synonymous. I'd disagree: "calling someone out" is scolding them for not being sufficiently woke (but not necessarily going any further), while "cancelling" is explicitly trying to deplatform somebody or get them removed, fired, or erased. Think parental nagging versus being written out of the will. Equinox ◑ 13:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Equinox: Let me think about how to phrase it better. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 14:31, 21 November 2020 (UTC)