Talk:bork
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[edit]Nonce politico sense. --Connel MacKenzie 08:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Shouldn't be hard to find in political commentary. I would expect that it was current for (just about) the magic one-year limit. Actually, it probably comes around every time there's a Supreme Court nominiation. -dmh 08:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Not quite a nonce. Look for "the borking of" on b.g.c. I got ten hits, some in quotes, some capitalized, and one interesting one referring to the borking of one of George Washington's nominees. Similarly "going to bork" gets 6 hits, variously punctuated. Dates from both the 1990s and 2000s. -dmh 20:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- not a nonce at all, Bork's Supreme Court nomination was in the late 80s. Anyways it has three citations now, so its verified. --Eean 22:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
This is definitely mainstream and definitely in common usage. Definitely keep it. In fact I'd advocate moving it up, as I think the political sense is more common than the other one. — This comment was unsigned.
- Perhaps this is the case in the US, but even if the etymology is from Robert Bork, I think the usage in the political sense would be virtually unknown outside the US. Actually it's the first time I've heard of it. 220.104.133.155
Swedish Chef
[edit]There really should be a referece to the Swedish Chef in here somewhere.— This unsigned comment was added by 81.224.104.157 (talk).
- I'm not so sure there should be. The second usage, referring to political appointees, is I think the most widespread and the earliest, dating back to at least 1991 according to the Wikipedia article on Robert Bork. It would make sense to me to move it first.
- I'm familiar with the on-line usage of "borked" to mean broken in a general sense, though the Swedish Chef etymology strikes me as a little silly. The "broken" etymology seems mildly plausible, but it seems far more likely to me that that usage evolved from the specific usage of sabotaging a judicial appointment.--Trystan 21:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Less silly than you might expect. It was my impression (though I'm not able to find a source for it, which is why I was looking here in the first place) that it originated with Opera browser's use of the Swedish Chef's signature language to make a point about Microsoft redirecting Opera users to a broken (borked) page. http://www.operasoftware.com/press/releases/desktop/opera-releases-bork-edition While I can't find a direct connection between the two, the political origin does not have a clear path to the computer usage, while the Opera/Swedish Chef origin does directly lend itself to the computing use of the term "bork". Personally, I remember people using the term "borking" to refer to this intentional manipulation of other page content immediately afterward for amusement, even if the replacement wasn't Swedish Chef speak. I did not see the term "borked" used in computing prior to the Opera use. I'm not finding sources either way on the origin, though, but the Swedish Chef origin is likely. 168.166.55.11 22:06, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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"To snub or disrespect", and "To thwack or fubar". (Thwack itself is already under RFV in this sense.) Equinox ◑ 14:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- Just delete the second one. This sense of thwack & bork are defined circularly, and fubar ain't a verb, so the definition means nothing. —Michael Z. 2009-06-27 17:19 z
- Deleted. Equinox ◑ 02:04, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
No source for computer-related Bork usage?
[edit]Should that really be a (prominent) section if there's no source for it?
205.155.65.226 23:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Get rid of Etymology 1 (misspelling/Swedish Chef)
[edit]There is no question that the second etymology is the correct one; it was in Gareth Branwyn's "Jargon Watch" column way back in issue 1 or 2 of Wired magazine, back in 92 or 93. In other words the phrase was current on the internet back then and widely associated with Robert Bork's failed Supreme Court nomination process.
It's misleading and kind of a travesty that this is not reflected in the etymology. I nominate Etymology 1 (misspelling/Swedish Chef) for deletion.--Jackbrown 14:52, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Misspelling of balk / baulk ?
[edit]The meaning of bork given in relation to rugby is similar to 2 of the meanings given for balk: a feint to deceive an opponent, and a sudden stop.
Jim hill au 11:04, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree - I've added a request for verification WT:RFV#bork
Raoouul (talk) 16:43, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
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The definition for bork(rugby) actually belongs to balk in the sense of "(sports) deceptive motion". These two words are almost indistinguishable when spoken, and I suspect the definition under "bork" is the result of a misspelling and should be deleted.— This unsigned comment was added by Raoouul (talk • contribs).
- Keep of course. (If you doubt a definition, take the issue to WT:RFV.)
—msh210℠ (talk) 17:55, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- maybe I didn't explain what I meant correctly - I meant the definition bork(rugby) should be deleted, not the entire entry for bork. The other definitions are fine as far as I'm concerned Raoouul (talk) 18:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- Moved to WT:RFV#bork as suggested Raoouul (talk) 19:31, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- For the (deprecated template usage) break meaning, I suspect there might also be some humourous allusions to the w:Swedish Chef character from w:The Muppet Show, who was known for spontaneously and gleefully yelling out "Bork! Bork! Bork!" while destroying some culinary recipe. The EN WP redirects w:Børk to w:Swedish Chef due to this strong association.
- Plus, I've seen numerous instances of deliberately using more Germanic conjugations of this verb, such as (deprecated template usage) geborken as the past participle. See google groups:"geborken" for some examples, mostly in English. (This search also introduced me to the wonderful term (deprecated template usage) mitbuggiesgefilled, apparently as the past participle of (deprecated template usage) mitbuggiesfillen: "It's thoroughly geborken and completely mitbuggiesgefilled.") Less commonly, I've also seen (deprecated template usage) geborked as the past participle: google groups:"geborked". And, raising interesting questions about who's influencing whom, it looks like this verb is gaining some currency in German, with the past participle appearing as geborkt: google groups:"geborkt". -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 18:08, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Striking, then, as kept.—msh210℠ (talk) 04:53, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
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[edit]See Wiktionary:Requests for verification archive/2012. - -sche (discuss) 03:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
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This one should be easy, mostly shift-down and delete, but there might be something worth saving. DAVilla 20:56, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
@Sgconlaw I'm not able to find any support for this verb form. Do you have anything? DTLHS (talk) 03:15, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- Only the 1999 Steven Pinker quotation so far, and I put it in brackets because it was actually an example given by Pinker. — SGconlaw (talk) 03:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- Oh, shoot, Pinker actually notes this is one of the sentences that "no one says". I'll remove it. — SGconlaw (talk) 03:22, 19 October 2017 (UTC)