Talk:bahasa Melayu

Nomination for deletion

The entry has been recently nominated for deletion for a second time. I think this entry deserves to stay by virtue of it being the generic term for the dialect continuum used in the Malay archipelago, despite it being a sum of parts entry, as this term needs to be distinguished from "Bahasa Malaysia" and "Bahasa Indonesia" which are later terms derived for nationalistic reasons.

There are other terms such as the following that better fulfill the criteria as a sum of parts entry:

• "Bahasa Melayu Brunei"/"bahasa Melayu Brunei"
• "Bahasa Melayu Kelantan"/"bahasa Melayu Kelantan"
• "Bahasa Melayu Klasik"/"bahasa Melayu klasik"
• "Bahasa Melayu Kutai Tenggarong"/"bahasa Melayu Kutai Tenggarong"
• "Bahasa Melayu Kuno"/"bahasa Melayu kuno"
• "Bahasa Melayu Modern"/"bahasa Melayu moden"
• "Bahasa Melayu Pahang"/"bahasa Melayu Pahang"
• "Bahasa Melayu Papua"/"bahasa Melayu Papua"
• "Bahasa Melayu Pattani"/"bahasa Melayu Pattani"
• "Bahasa Melayu Sabah"/"bahasa Melayu Sabah"

Note that "Bahasa Melayu" is the correct spelling for the term in the Indonesian language whereas "bahasa Melayu" is the correct spelling for the term in the Malaysian language. The first word is not considered a proper noun in standard Malay so "bahasa" is not capitalized unless it is used in the first word of a sentence. KevinUp (talk) 09:15, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Since there are differences in spelling, it might be better not to create separate entries such as "Bahasa Melayu" for Indonesian and "bahasa Melayu" for standard Malay. KevinUp (talk) 17:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

This entry will now redirect back to "Melayu". Note that "bahasa Indonesia" and "bahasa Malaysia" currently redirects back to "Indonesia" and "Malaysia" respectively. This entry can be recreated if future editors are willing to create Indonesian entries for "Bahasa Indonesia" and "Bahasa Malaysia" (only English entries exist for these terms as of Sept 2018) as well as standard Malay entries for "bahasa Indonesia" and "bahasa Malaysia" with no redirection. KevinUp (talk) 17:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Further reading

Further discussion can be found at Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2018/September#Malay as an ISO 639 macrolanguage regarding the use of Malay as a dialect continuum and the use of the term "standard Malay" to refer to the regional standard used in Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei. KevinUp (talk) 09:24, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

RFD discussion: September–November 2018

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bahasa Melayu

SoP for both L2's. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 07:25, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Keep. See Talk:bahasa Melayu. This term can be found in ten other Wiktionary sites. KevinUp (talk) 09:29, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Entry has been redirected to Melayu. See talk page for an in-depth discussion. KevinUp (talk) 17:28, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Compare WT:RFDN/names with bahasa from May 2017. For redirets compare WT:Redirections. -80.133.107.137 14:53, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Has been redirected some time ago. Per utramque cavernam 21:46, 26 November 2018 (UTC)