Talk:aquastor

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aquastor

Even with a quote, I'm still having a hard time pinpointing what it actually means. OneLook gave me nada. --Robbie SWE (talk) 18:12, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

It's science fiction, the word was invented for the book. DTLHS (talk) 18:17, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Not just science fiction. It apparently goes back to Paracelsus, so it appears in a few works discussing his metaphysical theories. Chuck Entz (talk) 19:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

@Robbie SWE: I added quotations, including one the definition uses. J3133 (talk) 18:45, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

As I write this the first four quotations are not independent, all being by Wolfe or about his writing. We need one more. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 19:26, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

@Vox Sciurorum: I added two more. J3133 (talk) 21:23, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Also: WT:FICTION. --2003:DE:371B:BD35:3428:E848:3D42:39D7 20:34, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

If Chuck is right that it goes back to Paracelsus, I don't think fiction applies. Anyone want to add an etymology? - -sche (discuss) 00:43, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

If Storlie is independent of Wolfe(?), that's two citations, and Black's citation (referencing Paracelsus) is independent of those (although it capitalizes the term), and Wittine also seems independent; that seems like enough citations.
Regarding FICTION: I think that if 3+ unconnected fiction writers use a term in 3+ unconnected fictional universes, like transmat, the term passes FICTION and is the kind of thing labels like {{lb|en|fiction}}, {{lb|en|science fiction}} and {{lb|en|fantasy}} exist to label, although the guideline could use cleanup to make it clearer whether this is or is not the case. - -sche (discuss) 03:35, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I added an 1883 1899 use which may be the oldest English use. I consider this cited. I need to review some older foreign uses, also related to Paracelsus like the 1891 and 2013 mentions, but that's etymology and history. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 15:56, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I can't find a searchable text of Paracelsus' works, so the trail ends with a pair of 19th century German lists of his coinages, both giving "Aquastor — ein täuschendes Gesicht" (= doppelganger?). Vox Sciurorum (talk) 21:28, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

A "Rochi le Baillif Edelphi Medici Dictionariolum vocum quibus in suis Scriptis uſus eſt Paracelsus" (page 13 of a "Philippi Theophrasti Paracelsi"), included in the back of a 1658(?) Aureoli Philippi Theophrasti Paracelsi Bombast ab Hohenheim (here), has: "Aquastor, eſt viſio quædam rem aliquam re-preſentans qua reuera non eſt." Unless it's in an inflected form I didn't check, I don't spot the word elsewhere in that book or in other old Latin works, though. - -sche (discuss) 22:05, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 19:29, 14 December 2020 (UTC)