Talk:angzarr

RFV discussion: June–September 2022

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angzarr

This is the name of a dingbat (⍼) listed in HTML and ISO standards from the 1990s. Over the past six weeks or so, people have apparently been talking about it, possibly following the blog post I added to the entry. But I can find almost no use of angzarr as a word. Plenty of mention, sure, but almost no use. @Fish bowl added an rfv tag, but apparently thought better of it and changed to hotword. I don't think it can be a hotword, though, as it has been mentioned for decades. Cnilep (talk) 01:04, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

An HTML entity name qua HTML entity name is translingual, if anything. I don't think anyone would claim SHCHcy, rdldhar, or laemptyv are English. It's only an English word if it is actually used as such.

I think one could argue for hotword status in this case, since there were no actual English uses until recently, when it was popularized by this April 2022 blog post, which rose to the top of Hacker News and inspired an xkcd comic four days later. I doubt there are durably archived quotations out there, but it could be supported with online ones. There aren't even many websites using the word, though. FWIW, I don't even think the usage/mention in the blog post in April should count, but some real uses include [1], [2], etc. 70.172.194.25 03:57, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Agreed: one of the most commonly seen is the ampersand & but that doesn't mean that "amp" is an English word for ampersand. Equinox ◑ 16:47, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Re whether this is a hot word if it's been around sporadically for a long time before its recent hotness/popularity: this is a problem that's come up with a few words, e.g. murder hornet and gender critical (in the newer, "TERF" sense) saw sporadic use for several years before they became popular enough to see their first "durably archived" uses and get entered on here. Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2020/May#When_does_the_hot_word_clock_start wasn't really conclusive. In this case, whether it's in much use (as opposed to just mentions) even now seems unclear; I can't find any uses of the plural in books or even on twitter or even google. Whether it's even English or even a word is questionable, as Equinox says; we don't currently have "ampersand" as a sense of amp in any language. The only cite in the entry is not a use. So RFV-failed IMO, but if anyone wants to add uses, let's reopen and discuss further... - -sche (discuss) 18:10, 4 September 2022 (UTC)