Talk:Yanan
Latest comment: 5 months ago by -sche in topic RFV discussion: May 2023–January 2024
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Rfv-sense- I don't know how to look for this and I couldn't find it myself. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 10:13, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Einstein2 Awesome job finding stuff! The 1901 and 1902 cites are not sufficiently independent for my taste, but I will look around for some more. Thanks!! --Geographyinitiative (talk) 21:08, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- The overlap with the Chinese place name makes this hard to search for. The three quotes I've added to the noun sense probably count as only one use (if we are being generous, we could count the 1948 quote too, although it probably refers to the same Baptist Mission Review article, even if not stated explicitly). Meanwhile, I could attest a rare adjectival sense. Einstein2 (talk) 21:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, the 1901 and 1902 citations are not independent since one is just a quote of the other.1948 may be referring to the same report but seems independent to me. A use in Man in India (1972) seemed promising but turns out to be another reprint/quote of the 1901 work. A use of "the Yanans" in Aida Sevilla Mendoza, Even More Unforgettable Legal Stories (1980), page 12, turns out to be about a family with the surname Yanan. A use in The Archery Review (1934), volumes 4-6, page 2 (Has the Berkeley Archers been up to full strength there is no doubt that the Yanans would have been on the low end of the score. JOSEPH J. KINGSBURY, Sect. Yana Archers.
isabout a team. - -sche (discuss) 04:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Another thing to look out for: there's the Yana people of California. The Yahi people are a subgroup, notable for including Ishi, the last "wild" Indian (American Indian, not Indian Indian). Among the many studies conducted with help from Ishi was an article on Yahi archery. That means that it's conceivable for there to be references to insights from Ishi on the more general subject of "Yanan archery" (i.e. archery of the entirety of the Yana people, not just the Yahi subgroup). I would also point out that Ishi spent the last part of his life in residence at Berkeley and was somewhat famous, so that last quote might involve him or his people, somehow. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- True, I need to see if I can find more context for that one. I was already thinking of suggesting that if we drop the gloss and just define Yanan as an alt form of Yana (without specifying a sense: any group which is or is named after the California Yana, like what I took to be a Yana school or sports archery team, can on rare occasion be called Yanan with -an), we could use that cite in that case; if it's actually the same sense that'd obviously be even better. I also notice that only the second use in the 1902 cite is quoting the 1901 cite, the first use is independently describing the same topic, so IMO we technically have enough to pass this, if we make sure it label it as quite
{{lb|en|rare}}. - -sche (discuss) 06:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- True, I need to see if I can find more context for that one. I was already thinking of suggesting that if we drop the gloss and just define Yanan as an alt form of Yana (without specifying a sense: any group which is or is named after the California Yana, like what I took to be a Yana school or sports archery team, can on rare occasion be called Yanan with -an), we could use that cite in that case; if it's actually the same sense that'd obviously be even better. I also notice that only the second use in the 1902 cite is quoting the 1901 cite, the first use is independently describing the same topic, so IMO we technically have enough to pass this, if we make sure it label it as quite
- Another thing to look out for: there's the Yana people of California. The Yahi people are a subgroup, notable for including Ishi, the last "wild" Indian (American Indian, not Indian Indian). Among the many studies conducted with help from Ishi was an article on Yahi archery. That means that it's conceivable for there to be references to insights from Ishi on the more general subject of "Yanan archery" (i.e. archery of the entirety of the Yana people, not just the Yahi subgroup). I would also point out that Ishi spent the last part of his life in residence at Berkeley and was somewhat famous, so that last quote might involve him or his people, somehow. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)