Talk:United Kingdom
Add topicI disagree with the Russian translation (Великобритания, or Velikobritaniya as it is transliterated), because Velikobritaniya means Great Britain. And the United Kingdom is not only Great Britain; it consists of Northern Ireland as well. I don't know how UK is in Russian, but for sure it is not Великобритания (Velikobritaniya). Webkid 23:17, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Very tardy response: I agree that translations like that one should be moved to Great Britain, since it and the UK are not the same thing. - -sche (discuss) 01:08, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
- (Notifying Atitarev, Benwing2, Cinemantique, KoreanQuoter, Useigor, Wanjuscha, Wikitiki89, Stephen G. Brown, Per utramque cavernam): @-sche: For the definition ‘A kingdom and sovereign state in Western Europe comprising the four countries of England, Scotland and Wales in the island of Great Britain, and Northern Ireland in the island of Ireland’ the correct translation is Великобритания. Соединённое Королевство is hardly ever used, and in Russian the island of Great Britain and the UK are called exactly the same. In Great Britain the third sense is labelled (historical or loosely), which is not true for Великобритания (Velikobritanija). Guldrelokk (talk) 06:23, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, the UK is Великобрита́ния (Velikobritánija) in Russian. Not every language mirrors precisely the British usages of GB, UK, England, Britain, Britannia, Commonwealth of Nations, etc. Some languages have only a single term that serves to translate all of the British terms. —Stephen (Talk) 07:02, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Guldrelokk, Stephen G. Brown: Yes, I agree. Firstly, I didn't get the ping. Either there is a problem with multiline comments with pings, or something to do with the way Guldrelokk posted or his account. Соединённое Короле́вство (Sojedinjónnoje Korolévstvo) is more precise, official, a direct translation of "United Kingdom" and it IS used but Великобрита́ния (Velikobritánija) is more likely to be used when in English "UK" or "United Kingdom" are used, definitely more common. There are pros and cons but there's little point in agreeing on something when in a short while someone thinks differently and the whole thing is changed. Translation, therefore are less important than the actual entries. A more extensive use of
{{qualifier}}s might help. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 12:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC)- @Atitarev: I don’t think Соединённое Королевство is used except very marginally. It’s either Соединённое Королевство Великобритании и Северной Ирландии or Великобритания. The first is a translation of the official English name, and has little use besides being mentioned as such; most official documents feature the name Великобритания, all maps have Великобритания, in all encyclopaedias the article is titled Великобритания, the embassy is called Посольство Великобритании and so on, and so on. This is why the current translations are misleading.
- If someone makes a change contrary to whatever is agreed upon, it can always be reverted and discussed, I don’t see a big problem here. Guldrelokk (talk) 12:59, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Guldrelokk:: Feel free to add Великобрита́ния (Velikobritánija) but don't remove Соединённое Короле́вство (Sojedinjónnoje Korolévstvo). The issue is not just about the Russian translation. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 13:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Guldrelokk, Stephen G. Brown: Yes, I agree. Firstly, I didn't get the ping. Either there is a problem with multiline comments with pings, or something to do with the way Guldrelokk posted or his account. Соединённое Короле́вство (Sojedinjónnoje Korolévstvo) is more precise, official, a direct translation of "United Kingdom" and it IS used but Великобрита́ния (Velikobritánija) is more likely to be used when in English "UK" or "United Kingdom" are used, definitely more common. There are pros and cons but there's little point in agreeing on something when in a short while someone thinks differently and the whole thing is changed. Translation, therefore are less important than the actual entries. A more extensive use of
- Yes, the UK is Великобрита́ния (Velikobritánija) in Russian. Not every language mirrors precisely the British usages of GB, UK, England, Britain, Britannia, Commonwealth of Nations, etc. Some languages have only a single term that serves to translate all of the British terms. —Stephen (Talk) 07:02, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Why the United Kingdom?
[edit]Why the over use of the term United Kingdom? When the formal name is Great Britain and Northern Ireland (short form), United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (long form) a follow on from Great Britain and Ireland (short form), United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (long form) — This comment was unsigned.
- For the same reason we call Germany Germany, instead of a formal name: It's the name people use in almost all contexts. IMHO, formal names are of little use in normal writing and are of more encyclopedic than lexicigraphic interest, though some here disagree. DCDuring TALK 23:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Other United Kingdoms
[edit]I don't know if it would be worth adding that there were other countries in history called 'United Kingdom' since it's a political title rather than a name for a country. E.g. United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves, United Kingdom of the Netherlands &c. 151.224.251.57 00:06, 13 May 2014 (UTC)