Talk:Undecimber

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1906: The original is more accurately translated "he called one eleventh the other twelfth", like the 1917 Loeb Classical Library translation. In the linked-to 1865 bilingual Greek-French edition, the French translator also turns the Greek ordinal numbers into names: "nommés l'un Undécembre, l'autre Duodécembre".

1937: This version is interesting because the author has misunderstood Cassius Dio, attributing the extra months to the year when Julius Caesar reformed the calendar and temporarily made the year two extra months long.

1997: The phrase "Undecimber 3, 644" was "3. hrudna 644" in the original, where "hrudna" seems to be a made-up term, not related to "eleven" or any other Czech month.

{{computing}} tag removed. "Undecimber" is not a term used in computing, it's a term (one of millions) that made it into some programming library, and which are normally not suitable for Wiktionary in the first place. (Do you think "December" should be called a term used in computing? It's in the same library.) A single citation, one of the earliest, complete with self-definition, more than suffices. Note that in fact that this citation is pretty much all mention, no use, and doesn't really count as an attestation—I believe it should stand as an exception because people seem to be making a big deal about it. Contrast with foo or Hello World.

Information about the Hebrew calendar removed. It was a hypothetical explanation for a hypothetical program, perhaps appropriate to Wikipedia. Choor monster (talk) 20:16, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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Undecimber

Any takers? The whole mess needs cleaning up if it is OK. SemperBlotto (talk) 14:04, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

There's a Wikipedia article and the term is also explained here [1]. The term is mentioned in numerous Java programming guides and in these books [2], [3], [4], but I'm not sure whether they count as usage. There is also a Swedish Gothic metal band Undecimber. I did some cleanup, too. --Hekaheka (talk) 17:26, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

reference.com is an old Wikipedia copy.--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I noticed the word "wiki" in the pagename, but wasn't sure what it means. Anyway, I thought it was written more clearly than the current Wikipedia text, and therefore worth mentioning in thi discussion. --Hekaheka (talk) 06:39, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I believe this entry is now cleaned up, with a fairly complete citations page. The original usage seems to be 1788, French Undécembre and Duodécembre. (See link on Duodecember.) I have found two independent cites for Undecember. Curiously enough, I've found four cites for Duodecember, but only two independent for Duodecimber.

In the citations page, I included a bit from a Java reference manual regarding its Java definition. This is 100% mention, of course, and is not being counted to get to 3, and it is obviously irrelevant to a human language dictionary what terms some programming library comes up with, but I think it should be present for the sake of all those who got all excited about it anyway. I deleted the (computing) tag and any reference to the Hebrew calendar. Perhaps a "see also" to Adar rishon would be appropriate?

There is a challenge in defining the non-existent, and currently it's not meeting the challenge. By being mushy enough, "a proposed name for any month that immediately follows December" covers suggestions to rename January "Undecimber" and to be the thirteenth month, and the like. Precision requires two or maybe three senses for the word, but that would run afoul of citing each sense. Suggestions? Choor monster (talk) 17:22, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Meh, passed. - -sche (discuss) 19:01, 30 June 2013 (UTC)