Talk:Ruscism
The entry is too coy about what this actually means. Are we calling it fascist, or just oppressive, or neither? Equinox ◑ 20:20, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
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"The political ideology and social practice of the Russian ruling regime at the beginning of the 21st century." Equinox ◑ 20:21, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
- This (by a Ukrainian writer) is the only hit from a mainstream news site and I don't believe it is durably archived. Nothing on Usenet or BGC.
←₰-→Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 20:38, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
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The entry Ruscism (also called Rashism) was previously deleted, see Talk:Ruscism. It has been recreated (in a very ugly way) by Special:Contributions/46.154.43.145. Please review if the entry now gains grounds and meets the CFI. We can worry about the formats later. See w:Rashism. Also see both Ruscism and Rashism in Google Books searches. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Should it be a calque of the Russian term раши́зм (rašízm) or was it coined first in English? 70.172.194.25 15:43, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- The CFI have been modified meanwhile and obviously also the attestation situation. Also, as we include the corresponding Russian, Ukrainian, Armenian etc. terms, this should reasonably have a bearing on the English translation too, as this is the correct word in English. (I don’t think it is a calque, but a parallel formation, though obviously more or less translating contexts in Eastern Europe more often than not.) Fay Freak (talk) 16:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that the English should exist but it was still restored out of process and no citations provided - it was deleted per RFD (Talk:Ruscism).
- The term gained frequency in Ukraine (in both Russian and Ukrainian) after the first Putin's invasion, here's a political hit from Kharkiv, Ukraine (in Russian): www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLJDbh2nziw (Это, детка рашизм -This is Ruscism, baby). (it looks like the original version has been removed, unsurprisingly) --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:18, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- The CFI have been modified meanwhile and obviously also the attestation situation. Also, as we include the corresponding Russian, Ukrainian, Armenian etc. terms, this should reasonably have a bearing on the English translation too, as this is the correct word in English. (I don’t think it is a calque, but a parallel formation, though obviously more or less translating contexts in Eastern Europe more often than not.) Fay Freak (talk) 16:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Poor definition: "The assertion that Russia has been transformed into a fascist country." I suppose the word refers not to the assertion but to the (alleged) transformation itself. Equinox ◑ 10:37, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- The definition, although different from it was when Equinox commented above, still seems odd; it's defined as "Russia under Putin", but I would've expected it to mean "the fascist ideology of Russia/Putin". The RFD tag was dropped, but the entry previously failed RFV and still has no cites... I say move this to RFV. WP also defines this as the ideology, btw, not the country. - -sche (discuss) 19:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Moved to RFV, which should also sort out the definition. - -sche (discuss) 19:11, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
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Previously failed RFV, was recreated without cites, was RFDed (Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/English#Ruscism_needs_a_restore?), and has been given a changing set of poor definitions. It's currently defined as a proper noun meaning "Russia under Putin", but I think this is wrong, and (like WP says) it refers to ~"the ideology of Putin, Russian fascism". Citations would clarify, presumably, and are needed anyway since this previously failed RFV. - -sche (discuss) 19:02, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- You can define “Russia as envisioned by Aleksandr Dugin”, or
{{synonym of|en|Duginism}}, this would be correcter. I think you may also just take it as granted that it has the same meaning as the Russian and Ukrainian term and this may be one of the words that even if attested by use cannot be understood by the whole corpus of the language but needs references from other languages. There are more trivial examples, like American English using palo santo while in the contexts the species are not clear so I refer to the Spanish. Fay Freak (talk) 20:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I added some quotations going back to 2015.[1] —Michael Z. 2022-07-15 18:30 z 18:30, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- The definition has been revised
and I guess there are technically enough cites now. - -sche (discuss) 03:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- The definition is better now, but the 2015 and 2016 Elizaveta Gaufman are non-independent and are also both mentions, and the 2020 Lurelle cite is a mention and of a different term (not this term/spelling). The 2020 ISG and 2022 Schwirtz cites are actual uses. I also see it in a Zelenskyy speech which some books of transcripts of his speeches attest (e.g. War Speeches VIII: October 2022, lmverlag: "Everything that ruscism is trying to destroy. Therefore, another tribunal will inevitably take place, which will put an end to the careers of all those responsible for this Russian "special operation" against the international system,..."), so I suppose that's the third cite; otherwise it's in various other news articles. Pass? - -sche (discuss) 22:25, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- rashist might also need RFVing; Google Books hits include pronunciation spellings for racist and "anti-rashist" meaning one who opposes rash action. - -sche (discuss) 23:46, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
RFV Passed. Ioaxxere (talk) 04:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC)