Talk:Religious Society of Friends

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Religious Society of Friends

Not dictionary material. – Svārtava (tɕ) 06:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: "Not dictionary material" is not a specific enough reason for deletion; nominator needs greater detail as WHY this fails our inclusion criteria. Purplebackpack89 14:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as SoP: religious + society + of + Friends (“The Quakers; the Society of Friends”). — Sgconlaw (talk) 15:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't SOP only apply to common nouns? All the examples in the SOP section are common nouns Purplebackpack89 15:22, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not aware that it is limited in that way. It seems sensible that it applies to proper nouns as well, as I don't see why terms such as Food, Drinks and Allied Workers Union or United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization deserve entries in the Wiktionary. — Sgconlaw (talk) 18:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sgconlaw Irrespective of whether it's dictionary material, it seems self-evidently not SOP to me, as it's not just any old society of friends. Theknightwho (talk) 12:49, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

We don't seem to have any consistent policy on things like this; indeed the only(?) policy is inconsistency. We deleted e.g. Talk:United States Marine Corps—yes, even though it is not just any marine (e.g. biologists') corps in the US—which seems reasonable enough to me; I don't find the question of 'SOP or non-SOP?' as compelling as the question of whether it's dictionary material at all. We seem, probably reasonably, to be more permissive of older and (what Wikipedia would call) more 'notable' things; we have Cicero, not SZA; we have Iliad, not The Fault in Our Stars. We have Eastern Orthodox Church but (probably reasonably) not any of various churches I could name that were founded in 2019 (2020, etc). I'm on the fence. - -sche (discuss) 17:20, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@-sche: I would really like to try drafting a policy on this for voting on at some stage. (Whether we would get consensus on it is another matter, of course.) — Sgconlaw (talk) 18:03, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@-sche: If we're talking inconsistency of policy, see also "March to the Sea" below. Events seem to usually get kept, but CFI doesn't address them. Purplebackpack89 19:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep — I don't see how this is SOP at all. The term doesn't denote any society of friends who are religious, it is the formal name for a specific religious tradition.

Vergencescattered (talk) 09:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@Vergencescattered: as indicated above, Friends is already defined as "the Quakers", so the term just means a society of Quakers which is SoP. — Sgconlaw (talk) 12:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

You've got it bassackwards, @Sgconlaw "Friends" is a clipping of "Religious Society of Friends". Purplebackpack89 19:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. It's a proper name of the Quakers, who are only informally referred to as just "Friends". It's a fairly important historical term, and unlike "United States Marine Corps", the meaning isn't transparent or obvious—a reader who doesn't already know what it refers to would likely need a definition when encountering it. Very much "dictionary material", IMO. P Aculeius (talk) 14:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per PBP. DonnanZ (talk) 23:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• RFD-kept. Svartava (talk) 16:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)