Talk:Pyrgopolynices
Deletion discussion
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Plautus characters
[edit]"Conquerer of many towers"
"Bread muncher"
- Artotrogus in Artotrogidae, in Siphonostomatoida found in Catalog of Life, a marine crustacean. DCDuring TALK 22:06, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
"Wrestler"
"Embracer" or "Entangler"
"Lover of parties" (also, a woman, not a man!)
"The absolute end" (again, not a male character!)
All of these names are identified as being psuedo-Greek words invented by Plautus (I've given the etymologies above), and exist only as characters in his play Miles Gloriosus - they aren't Latin names any more than Nanki-Poo or Obi-Wan Kenobi are English names. As such, these fail WT:FICTION. There are well over a hundred of these entries, all with the same "male given name" definition (regardless of whether or not the character is male) - I don't want to flood RFD/RFV with them, but as it stands, they stand on the border between "misleading" and "flat-out wrong". Smurrayinchester (talk) 12:54, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for nominating these. I found a genus of marine parasites named for one of Plautus parasites ("one who eats at the table of another, and repays him with flattery and buffoonery, parasite").
- How does literary commentary count for attestation of fictional characters? There is a lot that refers to these characters. DCDuring TALK 23:12, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
- Del per nom. - -sche (discuss) 06:17, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- I would like a little time to work on the other similar ones to determine which have been used as a source of taxonomic names. It is sometimes difficult to determine etymologies for taxa, especially the less common ones, so this work may be wasted as actual entries, but may be of some modest value for etymologies. DCDuring TALK 17:45, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
- Merge into a single Appendix, say Appendix:Names of characters in plays of Plautus, the ultimate contents being the name, the play, and some kind of etymology, and any derivations, such as taxonomic names. DCDuring TALK 17:50, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
- See Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2010-10/Disallowing_certain_appendices for a related vote in favor of the principle of a single appendix for each class of such things, though an Appendix could also be RfDed. DCDuring TALK 00:45, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
- I would like to see all these Old Latin (itc-ola) entries kept, but failing that, an appendix such as the one DCDuring proposes, in conjunction with
{{only in}}links thereto from all those pages, would be the next best thing. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 00:19, 1 August 2015 (UTC)- See User:DCDuring/Names of characters in plays of Plautus, where I've started work. A high percentage of the names are taxa or taxonomic epithets, as I suspected. But there are other sources for some of the derived taxa etc. DCDuring TALK 01:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
- I support appendicisation. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:18, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- Appendicize. Sounds good to me. bd2412 T 15:38, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- Abstain. Does this fail WT:CFI#Fictional universes? Since, the characters are fictional, right, but is the universe in which they reside fictional? In any case, correct the definitions to be accurate. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Appendicized; all Latin titles have been replaced with a note pointing to Appendix:Names of characters in plays of Plautus. bd2412 T 14:16, 19 October 2015 (UTC)