Talk:New York

General American pronunciation: recording doesn't match IPA transcription

You know what's funny about https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/New_York#Pronunciation ? The American woman's pronunciation is so modern that she actually does not pronounce ew (in New) as [u]. — Preslethe (talk) 23:22, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

RFD discussion: October–November 2019

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New York

RFD adjective sense:

1. Of a style, particularly of food, originating in New York.
   • 2004, Jeffrey Taylor, A Gentlemen Drunk, →ISBN, page 52

     Alcoholism is a disease and an illness. Its insanity has prevented me from finding my Higher Power, good coffee, intoxicating chocolate, and a New York delicatessen here in Utopia.

Not a true adjective. If this is deleted, I propose to incorporate the relevant meaning into the noun section, provided the "food" association is thought distinct enough to mention separately. (I don't think attributive use "Of a style originating in New York" in itself merits mention, as this is a standard feature of English that could apply to pretty much any proper name.) Regarding the purported comparatives "more New York" and "most New York", even if these forms exist, I don't consider them proof of sufficient adjectivity. Pretty much any place name can be used in this style to mean "more/most characteristic of that place". Mihia (talk) 17:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Delete. Equinox ◑ 17:52, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm inclined to delete the adjective, it has a parallel in New Zealand which has no adjective, but is used attributively. The comparatives are probably there by default when creating the entry (I'm forever fixing these). DonnanZ (talk) 19:26, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

How do you "fix" them, may I ask? Mihia (talk) 20:05, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

By amending them to {{en-adj|-}}, but only in cases where there is obviously no comparative. DonnanZ (talk) 20:27, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

I always find it slightly unsatisfactory that the only way (AFAIK) to show nothing at all is to use the "?" parameter, which seems to suggest "I'm not sure, but if anyone knows then please complete the template", whereas what I often seem to want is a parameter that means "potentially comparable with 'more/most', but it is making too much of a deal of it to explicitly show these". Mihia (talk) 20:48, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

{{head|en|adjective}} is an option (though I suppose I'm liable to replace that with the shorter adj form if I'm in there editing other things). Equinox ◑ 21:24, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

To bolster Mihia’s claim that pretty much any place name can be used in a comparative to mean “more/most characteristic of that place”: ”Some parts of London were more London than others”; “That is why Petticoat Lane is more London than Park Lane.” Delete.  --Lambiam 09:11, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Delete, not an adjective. Canonicalization (talk) 20:35, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

• deleted along with all the useful translations. --Vealhurl (talk) 21:52, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

A somewhat related discussion: Talk:Chicago-style hot dog (compare Chicago-style, Chicago#Usage_notes). - -sche (discuss) 22:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)