Talk:Naʼvi

RFV discussion: September–October 2012

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Na'vi

Needs to meet WT:FICTION. Compare Talk:Dothraki. - -sche (discuss) 02:23, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

There is a professional computer gaming team, probably quite notable, calling themselves Na'vi if that is any good. Probably not. RTG (talk) 12:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 00:32, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

The language sense has been readded, but all of the citations specifically refer to it as the language of Cameron's film Avatar. WT:FICTION requires that terms "have three citations that are independent of reference to that universe", so this still seems to fail RFV. - -sche (discuss) 00:59, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Here, however, Na'vi refers to something that actually exists outside that fictional universe: an artificial language named “Na'vi” which, like Klingon, people examine in college linguistics courses, learn to speak, and write books about. To clarify, Ferengi and Klingon are languages in Star Trek; however, the Ferengi language is imaginary, existing only in a handful of isolated words, but there exists a non-fictional artificial language named “Klingon” with a lexicon and developed grammar. ~ Röbin Liönheart (talk) 22:16, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

It's true that the alien spoken in Cameron's film has been fairly well-developed, and also apparently not copyrighted because we have an appendix full of it(?), but the term "Na'vi" is still a "term[] originating in [a] fictional universe[]". Likewise, sonic screwdrivers exist (there's the prop Matt Smith uses, and the many mock-ups and knock-offs of it that fans buy or make), but the term "sonic screwdriver" is still excluded by WT:FICTION until/unless DW-free uses of it exist. OTOH, if people mention the language without referring to the film, the way Larry the Cable Guy apparently didn't explain that [[nanu-nanu]] was from Morky & Mindy, then WT:FICTION allows it, like [[lightsaber]]. - -sche (discuss) 05:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Replica sonic screwdrivers exist, but they aren't actually screwdrivers. A better example for your point might be frindle: though frindles indubitably exist in the real world, we do not use the term outside of references to that book. So, my rationale for reopening this page fails. Shazbot. ~ Röbin Liönheart (talk) 05:50, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Re-closed. ~ Röbin Liönheart (talk) 06:10, 28 October 2012 (UTC)