Talk:Meddyf
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[edit]@UtherPendrogn This needs a case ending. —CodeCat 17:02, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- Meduɸibā or Meduɸibs, do you reckon? UtherPendrogn (talk) 18:25, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- The former would cause a-affection in Brythonic, but I'm not sure if it's the latter. If it's a consonant stem though, Latin seems to have similar formations as well. Does the *ɸib- element occur in a noun on its own? —CodeCat 18:36, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- @CodeCat Yes, though it's unclear to me whether it was used as a noun or verb. ɸib is the verb "to drink", like ɸibū "I drink". UtherPendrogn (talk) 13:10, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- That would be a verb, *ɸibeti, which we already have. If this is a consonant stem, then the formation reminds me of Latin auceps, which uses a consonant stem noun derived from the verb root to create an agent noun. This formation occurs only in compounds with a preceding item. I have no idea if this is a PIE phenomenon, but given the relative close relationship between Celtic and Italic, it seems like this may be a similar formation. @Anglom, Angr, JohnC5 What do you think? —CodeCat 13:31, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- As I said, that is the right verb. UtherPendrogn (talk) 13:35, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- I don't know, but it seems a little suspicious to me to suggest that the Welsh name Meddyf is not either simply from meddf (“soft, gentle, delicate, quiet; effeminate”) or else the same as Old Irish Medb/Irish Meadhbh/Méabh/English Maeve, from *medwā, feminine of *medwos (“intoxicating”). Either way, the y is epenthetic. And c'mon, who would name their daughter "Mead-drinker", even in Proto-Celtic times? "This is my daughter Alkie." —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 13:48, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- It's possible the name is related to Ibosus, a Gaulish deity of healing spring waters. On another note though, with only Welsh attested, I don't think we should have a Proto-Celtic reconstruction of this name. --Victar (talk) 13:58, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
- A good point. —CodeCat 14:28, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
- I agree; both this and *Meðɨβ should be deleted if Welsh is the only language with this name. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 15:54, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
- A good point. —CodeCat 14:28, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
- It's possible the name is related to Ibosus, a Gaulish deity of healing spring waters. On another note though, with only Welsh attested, I don't think we should have a Proto-Celtic reconstruction of this name. --Victar (talk) 13:58, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
- I don't know, but it seems a little suspicious to me to suggest that the Welsh name Meddyf is not either simply from meddf (“soft, gentle, delicate, quiet; effeminate”) or else the same as Old Irish Medb/Irish Meadhbh/Méabh/English Maeve, from *medwā, feminine of *medwos (“intoxicating”). Either way, the y is epenthetic. And c'mon, who would name their daughter "Mead-drinker", even in Proto-Celtic times? "This is my daughter Alkie." —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 13:48, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- As I said, that is the right verb. UtherPendrogn (talk) 13:35, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- That would be a verb, *ɸibeti, which we already have. If this is a consonant stem, then the formation reminds me of Latin auceps, which uses a consonant stem noun derived from the verb root to create an agent noun. This formation occurs only in compounds with a preceding item. I have no idea if this is a PIE phenomenon, but given the relative close relationship between Celtic and Italic, it seems like this may be a similar formation. @Anglom, Angr, JohnC5 What do you think? —CodeCat 13:31, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- @CodeCat Yes, though it's unclear to me whether it was used as a noun or verb. ɸib is the verb "to drink", like ɸibū "I drink". UtherPendrogn (talk) 13:10, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- The former would cause a-affection in Brythonic, but I'm not sure if it's the latter. If it's a consonant stem though, Latin seems to have similar formations as well. Does the *ɸib- element occur in a noun on its own? —CodeCat 18:36, 4 October 2016 (UTC)