Talk:Lombard Street

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Lombard Street

As with Aldersgate Street: no metonymy, and we're not a street atlas or guidebook. Equinox ◑ 13:57, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Delete sense. Not to mention the numerous other Lombard streets that exist, such as the famous zigzaggy one in San Francisco. --WikiTiki89 14:35, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• Keep Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 14:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Delete sense. Move some of the def to etymology. I have added a metonymic sense with citations. DCDuring TALK 15:08, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Delete sense / move it to the etymology, per DCDuring and per precedent cases like 24 Sussex Drive, linked-to in the previous section. - -sche (discuss) 16:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• Wikipedia has over 20,000 articles on individual named streets, and I don't think we want to have entries reflecting all of the unique names. We should give basically the same treatment to all entries in Category:en:Named roads - delete senses containing purely geographic descriptions of the locations of the streets, but keep metonymic senses, and put enough of the geographic description in the etymology to make sense of the origin of the word. Note, however, that for an entry like Wall Street, the etymology should not merely say that this comes from the name of a street in New York, but should at least note that it is derived from "de Waal Straat", believed to reflect the Dutch settlers having originally built a wall there. bd2412 T 17:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Where are you getting that 20,000 figure from? Also, shouldn't more of them be in the cat? Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 21:03, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Las Vegas has around 8,000 streets; multiply that by the number of major cities... (I do suspect The Strip might have lexical meaning, but there's almost certainly not a second street in Las Vegas that has that.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, but not all of those have Wikipedia articles or Wiktionary entries. Also, some of them have the same name as streets elsewhere Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 22:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

The point is that they are attestable (i.e. three uses could easily be found in books or magazines for many streets, if only because of e.g. companies' mailing addresses). But the only "definition" for more than 99% of them would be "a street in city X". Equinox ◑ 22:56, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

@pbp, the 20,000 articles can be found by plumbing through all the subcategories and sub-subcategories of Wikipedia's w:Category:Streets (there is quite a tree). bd2412 T 01:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Delete; there's too many of them, and they're encyclopedic.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. (see below) --Dmol (talk) 22:45, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Actually, there is an argument for including the famous San Francisco street. Searching for things like "looks like Lombard Street" etc, brings up various uses to refer to the crookedness of the street. Any thoughts. --Dmol (talk) 22:50, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

If I were lexicographer-in-charge, I would exclude similes as evidence. I'm not, however, and I think others may disagree. DCDuring TALK 23:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I've stuck out my delete vote above, pending another look at this. The London street does seem to be synonomous with the banking industry, and has done for a long time. Moreover, it is used as a comparision of other similar market streets elsewhere. No time to go in to detail at the moment, but hopefully tomorrow.--Dmol (talk) 05:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I still think the sense referring to the physical street in London should be deleted. I've seen enough cites, myself, to justify both the "London equivalent to Wall Street" sense and the "San Francisco epitome of something with twists and turns" sense (try searching on "more curves than Lombard Street" and "more twists and turns than Lombard Street"). I just don't want to set a precedent that could be used to justify including a sense for Main Street in Podunk, Nowhere. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Delete. While I hardly think I need to justify why, remember WT:CFI is criteria for inclusion (not criteria for exclusion). Quite simply, this just doesn't meet them. For example, attested and idiomatic, while it's attested it's as unidiomatic as you can get. It means 'any street called Lombard'. Renard Migrant (talk) 14:34, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Keep the sense "The money and capital market of London" added after this nomination started, having 3 quotations in the mainspace. By the way, “Lombard Street”, in OneLook Dictionary Search. shows a similar sense is in Collins. --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:47, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Deleted sense; kept the sense Dan P. mentions.​—msh210℠ (talk) 07:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)