Talk:Jell-O

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Jell-O

Keep jello and jell-o, but delete Jell-O. --Connel MacKenzie 01:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

• Strong keep. SonPraises 06:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
• Hang on. This may be resolved by Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2007-07/Brand names of products. See, e.g.:

  Kenneth Boa, John Alan Turner, The Gospel According to the Da Vinci Code: The Truth Behind the Writings of Dan Brown (2006) p. 27:

  • Understanding the postmodernism that dominates our culture is about as easy as nailing Jell-O to a tree.

  Corey Sandler, Janice Keefe Performance Appraisals That Work: Features 150 Samples for Every Situation (2005) p. 1:

  • In most situations, writing a performance appraisal is like nailing Jell-O to the wall.

  Rick Moody, The Diviners: A Novel (2005) p. 448:

  • "It's what we've got for now" his mother observes. "You think the Pilgrims had Jell-O? They didn't have any Jell-O. They didn't have one piece of fruit or anything. Orange slices in that Jell-O? Oranges come from Florida, probably. Florida was a swamp back then. The Pilgrims all had scurvy. Their teeth were falling out, and they never flossed."

  Sarah Andrews, Fault Line (2002), p. 1:

  • I was driving down the Fell Street ramp off Highway into San Francisco. It was like skiing down a mountain made of Jell-O.

  Maryann Reid, Sex and the Single Sister: Five Novellas (2002) p. 96:

  • "Well, I don't want no man," says Nydia, while popping a screwdriver Jell-O shot in her mouth.
  • ...
  • We all laugh as they simulate sex sounds while eating their Jell-O shots.

  Craig Lesley, Winterkill (1997) p. 151:

  • Right now, the way the truck vibrates, your stomach shakes like Jell-O.

  Gregg Sapp, Building a Popular Science Library Collection for High School to Adult Learners (1995) p. 40:

  • Poke a piece of Jell-O, and it will shake and roll in indignation. Imagine a very long piece of Jell-O. By poking and tapping the Jell-O at one end, you can send a wave of Jell-O vibration travelling down to the other end.

• Based on the above, we should also have Jell-O mold and Jell-O shot (although maybe those should be set down as alternative spellings of jello mold and jello shot). Cheers! bd2412 T 19:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how that vote would resolve this. Furthermore, the usage is being asserted as "always generic" - which the lower-case variant would make clear. I don't see the reason to promote a particular product by prescribing that product's name when generic use (which is what we are supposed to be defining) exists. --Connel MacKenzie 20:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Presently there is no entry for jell-o or jello. If there were, I'd say keep Jell-O as an alternative spelling (even people who mean to use it only as a generic reference to a translucent wobbly material may be inclined to capitalize it). bd2412 T 02:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

But that is still backwards. You asserting that it is generic in use, right? If you are not, then if positively should not be here. If you are asserting generic use, then the lowercase variants should be easily cite-able and this should be moved there (changing the residual redirect to an alternate spelling soft-link.) The trademark link (from jello or jell-o) should be in the etymology, linking to Wikipedia or USPTO, right? --16:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

First, generic use does not necessarily equal lowercase use. Second, I am not asserting generic use, I'm asserting that use of the term is widespread enough for multiple authors to use it in publications having nothing to do with the company or the product, for a period spanning over three years, and without context. This is exactly the case covered by the proposal which is being voted on. bd2412 T 23:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Keep both the brand name and, when entered, the generic (often mistranslated as "jelly" for some reason). DAVilla 22:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)