Talk:Genusus
Latest comment: 7 years ago by JohnC5
Assuming "ancient Greek" means "ancient Hellenic," as in the language, how did you come to the conclusion that the term "Genusus" comes from the ancient Hellenic language?
- @Genesus713: What on earth are you talking about? When we say "Ancient Greek", we mean Ancient Greek. —JohnC5 05:44, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
- @JohnC5: The whole terminology with regards to Greece, Greeks, Hellas and Hellenes has been flipped on it's ass and it's really sickening to see how everyone is just going along with it. Obviously there are those who's interests are in stark contrast to what the truth is, but all the evidence is there. Saying someone speaks Greek is like saying they speak British. Ignorance or malevolence?! So, let's not confuse the two. Hellenic is not the same as Greek. (Genesus713 (talk) 00:01, 24 May 2017 (UTC))
- @Genesus713: Please answer my question: what do you mean by "ancient Hellenic"? If you have some problem with our naming conventions, you can bring it up in the Beer Parlour. But in the mean time, as you can see in the List of Languages, we recognized "Greek", "Ancient Greek", and "Proto-Hellenic". We do not recognize "ancient Hellenic" as a language name. —JohnC5 00:27, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
- @JohnC5: I am sorry if in any way my comments have not had the positive impact I was hoping they would; I am relatively new to editing Wikipedia and obviously I still have a lot to learn, so I deeply appreciate your help in any way. I will definitely check this Beer Parlour that you mentioned. With regards to my comments, they stem from a period of extensive research, albeit I have yet to make substantial progress in arguing this case publicly, mainly due to the fact that I have yet to publish my work on the subject. In short, the term "Greece" is polysemous in its nature. Meaning there is more than one "Greece." Before the formation of what we now commonly refer to as the Greek state, officially the "Hellenic Republic," and the latter rightfully so, the term "Greece" had been in use since antiquity to denote a geographic region in south-west Balkan peninsula. Albania-proper, Dardania, Epirus, Macedonia, Thessaly, Morea/Peloponnese, and in some cases even Crete, have all been historically considered part of Greece prior to the formation of the Greek state in the beginning of the 19th century. Thrace, Anatolia, Pontus, Cyprus, and other historically Hellenic regions, were not part of the Greek peninsula and therefore these Hellenes were not Greek; not all Greeks were Hellenes and not all Hellenes were Greek; not until after the formation of the Greek state, after which things got really mixed-up for obvious reasons. Even at that early time, those who knew, knew it very well; for example the Great Powers insisted that Otto's title be "King of Greece", rather than "King of the Hellenes," yet even when faced with such evidence, aside from all the countless maps and scriptures that prove the polysemous nature of the term "Greece," we still see the relentless perversion of historical truth. Just look at how it is all written in Otto's page here in Wikipedia: "When he was elected king, the Great Powers extracted a pledge from Otto's father to restrain him from hostile actions against the Ottoman Empire. They also insisted that his title be "King of Greece", rather than "King of the Hellenes", because the latter would imply a claim over the millions of Greeks then still under Turkish rule. AGAIN?!:"..because the latter would imply a claim over the millions of Greeks then still under Turkish rule."??! Really?!! It's more like "..because the latter would imply a claim over the millions of "Hellenes" then still under Turkish rule." After Otto's departure, the Greek state did eventually have a "King of the Hellenes," and he was indeed the King of the Hellenes, making sure anything non-Hellenic was not seen as Greek anymore. I hope I shed some light on this mix-up. I would eventually definitely push for a change in the use of this terminology here in Wikipedia once I have published my book. But as you can clearly see, this is a monumental task, its implications are far-reaching. (Genesus713 (talk) 04:19, 24 May 2017 (UTC))
- @Genesus713: Thank you for your clarification. I'll make a few points:
- This is not Wikipedia, it is Wiktionary. Our to projects are quite autonomous. Just an FYI, in case you were confused.
- Your argument seems to be that the term "Greek" in this context is a misnomer. That may well be true, but there are many misnomers, and this is so well established that there is effectively 0% chance you'll get this changed. I'm sorry if that sounds mean, but I don't want you to get your hopes up.
- If you did want to make this argument to a wider audience, I again would advise making a discussion in the Beer Parlour.
- Out of curiosity, why have you chosen "Genesus713" as your username and focused on this word in particular?
- —JohnC5 04:34, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Genesus713: Thank you for your clarification. I'll make a few points:
- @JohnC5: I understand; thank you for the clarification. I will bring this up at the Beer Parlour once I have gathered all the satisfactory evidence. I also understand it's near impossible to change this, but since this misnomer has quite broad and pervasive current cultural, (linguistic) historical and geopolitical ramifications, i.e. the Macedonian naming dispute, my primary goal is to influence those effected directly in a negative way by this misnomer; they will then catapult this discharge to the face of those who care or dare not to look. I am a Greek Illyrian (NOT HELLENIZED)so, no I will not go against truth to go with the current norm when all the facts point to the contrary. Never say never!
- The term "Genesus" is a Latin form of "Gjeneza" - and which before fusing with Christianity was an ancient Illyrian Goddess representing the mother Earth God. "713" are my lucky numbers and they also relate to a few relative things, i.e. George Castriota, the bible, etc. (Genesus713 (talk) 14:11, 28 May 2017 (UTC))
- @Genesus713: Could you provide evidence for this etymology. Startlingly little is actually known about the Illyrians, so I remain skeptical of most etymologies concerning Illyrian. —JohnC5 01:02, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
- The term "Genesus" is a Latin form of "Gjeneza" - and which before fusing with Christianity was an ancient Illyrian Goddess representing the mother Earth God. "713" are my lucky numbers and they also relate to a few relative things, i.e. George Castriota, the bible, etc. (Genesus713 (talk) 14:11, 28 May 2017 (UTC))
- @JohnC5: I am sorry if in any way my comments have not had the positive impact I was hoping they would; I am relatively new to editing Wikipedia and obviously I still have a lot to learn, so I deeply appreciate your help in any way. I will definitely check this Beer Parlour that you mentioned. With regards to my comments, they stem from a period of extensive research, albeit I have yet to make substantial progress in arguing this case publicly, mainly due to the fact that I have yet to publish my work on the subject. In short, the term "Greece" is polysemous in its nature. Meaning there is more than one "Greece." Before the formation of what we now commonly refer to as the Greek state, officially the "Hellenic Republic," and the latter rightfully so, the term "Greece" had been in use since antiquity to denote a geographic region in south-west Balkan peninsula. Albania-proper, Dardania, Epirus, Macedonia, Thessaly, Morea/Peloponnese, and in some cases even Crete, have all been historically considered part of Greece prior to the formation of the Greek state in the beginning of the 19th century. Thrace, Anatolia, Pontus, Cyprus, and other historically Hellenic regions, were not part of the Greek peninsula and therefore these Hellenes were not Greek; not all Greeks were Hellenes and not all Hellenes were Greek; not until after the formation of the Greek state, after which things got really mixed-up for obvious reasons. Even at that early time, those who knew, knew it very well; for example the Great Powers insisted that Otto's title be "King of Greece", rather than "King of the Hellenes," yet even when faced with such evidence, aside from all the countless maps and scriptures that prove the polysemous nature of the term "Greece," we still see the relentless perversion of historical truth. Just look at how it is all written in Otto's page here in Wikipedia: "When he was elected king, the Great Powers extracted a pledge from Otto's father to restrain him from hostile actions against the Ottoman Empire. They also insisted that his title be "King of Greece", rather than "King of the Hellenes", because the latter would imply a claim over the millions of Greeks then still under Turkish rule. AGAIN?!:"..because the latter would imply a claim over the millions of Greeks then still under Turkish rule."??! Really?!! It's more like "..because the latter would imply a claim over the millions of "Hellenes" then still under Turkish rule." After Otto's departure, the Greek state did eventually have a "King of the Hellenes," and he was indeed the King of the Hellenes, making sure anything non-Hellenic was not seen as Greek anymore. I hope I shed some light on this mix-up. I would eventually definitely push for a change in the use of this terminology here in Wikipedia once I have published my book. But as you can clearly see, this is a monumental task, its implications are far-reaching. (Genesus713 (talk) 04:19, 24 May 2017 (UTC))
- @Genesus713: Please answer my question: what do you mean by "ancient Hellenic"? If you have some problem with our naming conventions, you can bring it up in the Beer Parlour. But in the mean time, as you can see in the List of Languages, we recognized "Greek", "Ancient Greek", and "Proto-Hellenic". We do not recognize "ancient Hellenic" as a language name. —JohnC5 00:27, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
- @JohnC5: The whole terminology with regards to Greece, Greeks, Hellas and Hellenes has been flipped on it's ass and it's really sickening to see how everyone is just going along with it. Obviously there are those who's interests are in stark contrast to what the truth is, but all the evidence is there. Saying someone speaks Greek is like saying they speak British. Ignorance or malevolence?! So, let's not confuse the two. Hellenic is not the same as Greek. (Genesus713 (talk) 00:01, 24 May 2017 (UTC))